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  1. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Did those bullet magnets go to the target with the rest of the planes?
     
  2. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    No, they gathered the Group then led them to meet up with the other bomb groups. Once heading towards the target THEN they skidaddled for home.
     
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  3. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Reminds me of one of Australia’s most iconic war photos…5 Platoon, B Company 7RAR (Royal Australian Regiment)

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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    "Just another day at the orifice."
     
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    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    I love (loved) the UH-1. There is no feeling like flying in with your legs hanging out the door. It was also the best jump from a helo. I've jumped the UH-1, rear door CH-46, and CH-54 (box jump). Been transported in UH-1, CH-46 (scariest), CH-53, CH-47, UH-60; the UH-1 is the most fun/exciting ride. The CH/MH-47 and CH-53 were the only helos that could operate effectively in the mountains of Afghanistan because the thin air at those altitudes reduced the amount of lift. The 47/53 have enormous lifting capacity. The 47F can lift 24,000lbs and has two 4,733 shp engines. The CH-53E (used because it is contemporary to the 47F and used in Afghanistan, 53K now entering service) can lift 36,000lbs and has three 4,380 shp engines.
    My older son's brother-in-law is a West Point graduate and flew CH-47's in Iraq and Afghanistan. I saw him yesterday and asked him Biak's question; "One question: Why didn't he land where the troops are walking?" It's called a "Pinnacle maneuver/landing", the CH-47 has such a large footprint it's hard to fit it (and it's rotors) into a lot of spaces, avoids obstructions on the LZ, also by keeping the cockpit/pilot elevated it helps reduce brownout/whiteout, which can be problematic in certain environments. If I correctly understand what he said, it apparently, temporarily increases airflow across the front rotor where altitude/temp causes reduced lift. Basically, it's just a tool for specific situations/conditions. The CH-47's layout gives it more options for troop carrying/evac missions over the CH-53 which has a similar sized footprint (never turn to your right when exiting a 53).

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    This is a CH-53E recovering a CH-47 in Afghanistan, note the relative sizes.

    I've seen the tandem rotor CH-46 (no longer in inventory, replaced by MV-22 Osprey) use the same technique, but it is a smaller helo, with a much-reduced footprint.

    I've seen this done, but have never done it myself, it's the water-borne variant of the pinnacle maneuver called the delta queen.



    I did get rubber boat training with the Marines when I went to Amphibious Warfare School at Little Creek, (it is fun but physically demanding training). I got a lot more with SF, on Zodiacs and RHIB's, a lot of insertion and extraction techniques with helos. Sling loaded Zodiacs and the team helo casts or fast ropes out of a 47 then marry up with the boat, I've done wet silk jumps, but nothing on the level of some of the higher speed SEAL/Raider/Force Recon insertion/extraction techniques, they're not high speed, they're ultra high speed! One of the most fun extraction techniques is SPIE rigging, loved that sheet! Very useful when your team is compromised, and the terrain is such you can't get a helo in. Bad guys after you, you don't always have the time to move to a suitable extraction point, using SPIE rigging you've got a chance.



    All that said, nothing says military power, and 'MERICA like a heliborne assault, sooo much expertise, technology and expensive equipment.

    Best helicopter assault scenes from movies:
     
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  6. Carronade

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    Remember that recent news item where an Osprey had made an emergency landing somewhere in northern Norway, and they had to build a road to get it to the shore so a boat could pick it up? Wonder why they didn't just use a CH-53?

    The Ride of the Valkyries is the best war movie scene ever!
     
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    The island is a nature preserve and airlifting the Osprey out was nixed early on.
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    Were the guys flying these getting credited for combat missions?
     
  9. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    IIRC they didn't cross the Channel, so no glory.
     
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  10. Biak

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    Not sure but if anyone has the time, I'd suggest taking it, here's some good reading;

    ANATOMY OF A BOMBING MISSION
    © Copyright Annette Tison 2017 - All rights reserved
    The 392nd BG had one purpose-to place bombs on the target. This article describes the process by which that happened. Much of the information on mission preparation comes from Roger Freeman's book, The Mighty Eighth War Manual. In it, he noted that "For every combatant in 8th Air Force there were 20 personnel in a supporting ground role."

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    At Eighth Air Force Headquarters
    In the early days especially, the main factor affecting air operations was weather. Briefings were held three times daily at 8AF headquarters to give senior operations officers a forecast for prospective target areas and bomber bases in England. If the forecast was reasonable, the Operations staff selected suitable targets from a prioritized list.

    Weather also affected the size of an operation. Clear skies might lead to a concentrated attack on one of the most important targets in the priority list. With cloudy conditions, the bombers might be split between several targets to increase their chances of success. If only part of enemy territory had a suitable weather forecast, target selection might focus on that area.

    After weighing all options and up-to-date weather and operational data, the 8th's Chief of Operations made a decision about targets, the force required to destroy them, and a coordinated plan for the participating divisions. This information and supporting details became the formal Field Order (FO). However, to give participating units enough time to prepare aircraft and brief personnel, many operational directives reached units as an advance to the FO. Many FOs were cancelled before they evolved into a mission.

    At 2nd Air Division Headquarters
    After 2AD was notified of an impending mission, it alerted its Combat Wings who then informed their Groups. When 2AD got the target and ordnance requirements, specialists studied target indentifications, established Mean Points of Impact (MPI, the intended center for all dropped bombs), prescribed the type and quantity of bombs to be used, assessed the force of aircraft needed, plotted routes and times and specified altitudes. 2AD also coordinated appropriate support by 8AF Fighter Command.

    These details were sent to Combat Wing headquarters as they became available. Combat Wings and Groups could start their mission preparations after learning only the intended target, the order of Combat Wings, the number of

    Much more::

    ANATOMY OF A BOMBING MISSION
     
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  11. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Australian Light Horse WW1...
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    Lewis Gun WW1
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    WW2
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    "And i pull this trigger"
    "Yep"
    "And i mow them the f##k down right?"
    "Ummm...yeah thats right".
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    That's my ex-boyfriend...I'm going to shoot his bipper off.
     
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  13. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Warning ----- Cruel Pix !

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  14. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Those be Aussie F111s...Once the scurge of the South...
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Varks in the dark?
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    In Australia she was known as ‘Pig’ or as an extension Razorback…Aardvark is an Africaans word for ‘Earth Pig’.
     
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  18. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Oops

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  19. Takao

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    Not an Ooops. It's designed for just such happenings.

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    The main gear do not fully retract into the wings, so that the fuselage is still off the ground(as can be seen in the above photo) in the event of gear failure.
     
  20. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Maybe if they can figure out why the canopy blows off and the front wheel doesn't extend this wouldn't have happened several times in the last few years. I'd start with the gun. Or "Auto Cannon".
     

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