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  1. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Oblivion is a man made concept...Energy never dies...It just changes form.
     
  2. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    As does the Universe
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    I hadn't given the Mars helicopter much of a chance considering the dust storms but it just keeps on hopping ! Take that Energiser bunny.

    "Ingenuity landed with NASA's Perseverance rover on the floor of Mars' Jezero Crater in February 2021. On April 19 of that year, Ingenuity took to the Red Planet skies for the first time, executing a 39-second hover that covered no horizontal distance.
    The little chopper conducted four more flights over the following few weeks, acing its technology-demonstrating primary mission, which aimed to show that powered aerial exploration is possible on Mars despite the thinness of the planet's atmosphere.


    And then Ingenuity just kept on flying, on an extended mission during which it's serving as a scout for the life-hunting, sample-collecting Perseverance. Sunday's sortie was the 49th for Ingenuity, and flight 50 is likely just around the corner. "

    Mars helicopter Ingenuity goes faster and higher than ever before on 49th Red Planet flight
     
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    That’s deep dude…
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    At the heat death of this universe there will be no, none, zip-shit-nada energy. Entropy will win.
     
  6. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Not near as deep as Time. Or the Universe o_O

    Hubble was a Hell of a salesman (con man?) and his theory/"law" distance measurement was only ten times larger than what they're using now to reconcile to current measurements. They keep changing his 'constant' to explain the discrepancy of what we see to what we think.The better the telescope the greater the distance seen.
    Shouldn't be but a few years with the JWST we'll be looking at Galaxies that existed before the Big Bang.
     
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    Interesting stuff.
    "ET. could well be phoning home, as scientists have detected 25 mysterious 'fast radio bursts' from outer space.
    these blasts of powerful radiation were picked up by the Canadian Hydrogen Intensity Mapping Experiment (CHIME) radio telescope between 2019 and 2021.
    It is not currently known what produces fast radio bursts, or FRBs, but they are generally thought to be emanated by dying stars in distant galaxies.
    What makes the new FRBs special is that they are 'repeating' - multiple bursts came from the same location in space, according to University of Toronto astronomers.
    So far, many more non-repeating FRBs have been detected than repeating ones, but the latter type has potential to give more information about where they come from.
    This is because they give scientists the opportunity to study bursts from a single location with different instruments, and gather different data.
    The newly-discovered phenomena have brought the total number of known repeating FRBs to 50.
    'FRBs are likely produced by the leftovers from explosive stellar deaths,' said study co-author Dr Ziggy Pleunis.
    'By studying repeating FRB sources in detail, we can study the environments that these explosions occur in and understand better the end stages of a star's life."
    www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12020047/Are-aliens-trying-contact-Earth-Astronomers-detect-25-new-fast-radio-bursts-outer-space.html
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Most likely a physical phenomena. Radio waves are limited to the speed of light. Given that it's wildly unlikely any two sources will be in proximity to each other.
     
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    Yes and no…’limited by the speed of light’ - Is a Newtonian way of looking at space and distance (yes I know it was Einstein). When you consider sub space, worm holes or Eddies, bending or folding space, or even the distortions of a dying star …and particularly thinking beyond 3 dimensions, you can see it’s possible to travel vast distances without breaking any faster than light rules…The old worn out ‘why would aliens travel all this way, blah blah blah’ doesn’t hold ground when they understand the ‘highways’ we are only just beginning to understand.
     
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    I was referring to the FRBs, which travel under Einsteinian physical limitations.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    " It is not currently known what produces fast radio bursts, or FRBs, but they are generally thought to be emanated by dying stars in distant galaxies."

    Distant Galaxies - how far away is my question ? Regardless, ET is most likely long long Long gone.
     
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    And my point is that there is so much we still don't know about the Universe...Yet Physicists will tell you they are running out of things to study! A dying star creates many distortions, many of which we are yet to identify.
    It is conceivable that the dying star is not only creating the FRBs, but creating a local distortion in the fabric of space-time, maybe creating small holes in the fabric where "things" slip through...This COULD mean that a signal could travel through sub space and re-appear near us (relatively near)
    The shear arrogance of scientists who keep saying what is possible and what isn't astounds me...Again a TOTAL lack of imagination (which is why Einstein kept on about the importance of imagination - it can fill the gap of ignorance).
    Distant galaxies may not be so far away - Einstein proved this to a point "Quantum entanglement" - Is a beautiful example of my point. The point being one cannot look at the Universe in a Newtonian view point...A human viewpoint. We miss 95% of the Universe (dark matter) and pretend to know how the Universe works. We don't.
    But we are begining to realise what we don't know (slowly) And we have embarked on our true dawning of understanding (we are at the door looking in - Looks so exciting).
    Just as Quantum physics pays no regard to Newtonian physics - We should view our understanding of the Universe in a similar way to understand whats right in front of us.
     
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    Just watched a show on those this PM. VERY LONG WAY AWAY is the take away for that.
     
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    My question? If we can't ACCURATELY measure the distance to the nearest Galaxy what's the 'fudge' factor when they estimate the distance we observe as far as current telescopes see ? A one percent error over billions of ( observed!? ) light years, and then add in the excuse for expansion, makes "May" or "Could" more a matter of " Trust me I'm educated-ed".
     
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    Agreed...But as i said some humans are beginning to understand what they don't know, and are trying to come up with ideas to further the knowledge base and also try to prove some of the theories and hypotheses going around. Like the expansion of the universe...A telescope is being built now that can scan the whole sky very quickly and plans to take many pictures over ten years...This may prove the expansion of the Universe or not. (a cartoon flip book!)
    Scientists are the same as any highly trained professional...To the uneducated masses they do not want to come across as ignorant, they don't want to say "I don't know" (even if thats the smartest thing they can ever say) - But when scientists are together, they talk very differently...Not confident.

    I remember mentioning on Facebook a while ago, there was talk about how intelligent aliens must be..."thousands or millions of years ahead of us" - And made the point (which shut everybody up) that we as humans are busily creating artificial intelligence (AI) and expect that AI to be MORE intelligent than us within our life time. SO, it is entirely conceivable that the average alien is no smarter than humans, having relied on AI for those thousands of years. Indeed, it may be conceivable they are less intelligent than humans are currently due to a lack of using their own intelligence, instead relying on the all powerful AI. We know through studies that if you don't use it you lose it...
    So maybe we as humans with our knew super computers and burgeoning AI, we will accelerate our knowledge of the Universe exponentially over the coming 100 years...A dawn of a new humanity - We wont see much of it : (
     
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    Or, Aliens don't - didn't need AI.

    Glance over a few recent "new" studies. Take your pick from Medicine, Human Studies, Philosophy, Climate Change or whatever and if anyone doesn't read one of these few words in the first two sentences I'll send a bottle of Jack Daniels Tennessee Honey :::

    MAY, COULD MIGHT, POSSIBLY .

    or best yet : studies show in 50 to 100 years .................
    Which has been in the News for oh I don't know, 50 years ?
     
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    Hmm...Yes its a possibility they didn't need it. However, if you're asking me (which no-one has) i think AI is a natural progression for any advanced group. Just as language is a natural progression to link people and collective memory etc etc.
    Plus time does not simply equal increased intelligence - Imagine the Earth having WW3 and people going back to the days of old information wise...Imagine a stagnant culture - or an advanced peaceful planet taken over by less intelligent war like species. The list of possibilities goes on and on.

    As an aside, a scientist who said he was one of the first to be taken to a captured alien space ship went inside and established a "connection" with the ship itself...He said it felt "alive" - It was semi biological and was telepathic. I doubt very much an advanced alien culture WITHOUT artificial intelligence. Just my thoughts NOTHING is fact.
     
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    MAY, COULD MIGHT, POSSIBLY .

    These are the words of an intelligent person.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    And impossible to disprove hence another Trust me I'm more intelligent than the 'common' person.

    I'm still waiting on the declared "Going to happen in the next 50 years" articles. It's been 50 years.
     
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    My attitude is not "trust me" i know better, its dont close your mind and think its all been worked out. The Universe is far more incredible than any one human can imagine.
    I think many things have come to fruition over the past 50 years...Most were not predicted. I had a book in the 80s depicting all manner of things for the next 50 years...They were so wrong as to what has advanced - Information technology explosion - Medical advancements were not among them. Original Star Trek still had clip boards and pens...So many sci-fi movies get it very wrong. I'm an amateur futurist and have been since a young age...I can tell you most futurists get it wrong. Most will tell you predicting the next 10-20 years is do-able, beyond that you're probably groping in the dark.
    I actually think the opposite to you, we are far more advanced than predicted back in the 70s. Back then my house didn't even have a land line! We had to go next door to make and take calls. The 70s has more connection with 1900 than with 2023. Since1995 the world of humans has taken off...just 30 years ago...Now add 50 years of EXPONENTIAL growth and knowledge - We are entering our second age of enlightenment.
     
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