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  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Saw a programme on this the other night.
    "Until recently, archaeologists have mostly relied on what they can see at the sites of ancient ruins to unlock the secrets of the past. But lately, new methods have started to allow researchers to use other senses to explore these sites in different ways.
    One such method is "psychoacoustics," which studies how sounds are perceived by humans. In a study published in the journal Open Archaeology, Pamela Jordan from the University of Amsterdam used this technique to gain greater insight into how an ancient Greek sanctuary may have been used by ancient visitors.
    Recording how sounds interact among different structures can provide an idea of what they were designed for, and what activities could have taken place in the terrain surrounding them. "If you use sound as the basic frame […] you inherently start from a place of connection and a place of interrelation between portions of the site," said Jordan.
    In the study, Jordan and her team used psychoacoustics at the ancient sanctuary of Zeus on Mount Lykaion in Greece, roughly 160 kilometres from Athens.
    Over four recording sessions between 2015 and 2022, they played pre-recorded sounds, ranging from white noise to speeches, at different points at the site. These sounds were recorded at another location at the site using two microphones positioned close together, to mimic human ears (known as binaural recording). Digital tools then helped evaluate the sound frequency and clarity "heard" at different points.
    In total, over 1600 recordings were made in 2022 alone, allowing the research team to analyze dozens of sound relationships at different points of the sanctuary."
    How 'listening' to archaeological sites could shed light on the past (phys.org)
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    "How 'listening' to archaeological sites could shed new sound on the past." FTFY
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Sounds like they have too much time on their hands...Even if this was proved (doubtful) - Then...So?
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    This is interesting but I do question a few things: A Millennia ago shouting was all we had. An Amphitheatre has a natural ability to disperse sound hence wider dispersal.

    "However, Jordan advised against drawing too many conclusions from such early results. There is still not enough evidence that the sonic effects they found were intentional. Even if they were, our modern interpretation of those sounds may be different to those of the ancient Greeks living there."

    Then again there's this in the US :

    Red Rocks Amphitheatre - Wikipedia


    "In the first decade of the twentieth century, John Brisben Walker had a vision of artists performing on a stage nestled in the perfectly acoustic surroundings of Red Rocks, which likely were used by the Ute tribe in earlier times. Walker produced several concerts between 1906 and 1910 on a temporary platform, and from his dream, the history of Red Rocks as an entertainment venue began.[8] It took the natural amphitheater of Red Rocks over 200 million years to form.[9] The city of Denver acquired Red Rocks amphitheater from Walker for $54,133 (equivalent to $922,569 today), with a total area of 728 acres (1.1 sq mi; 2.9 km2).[10] In addition to the platform, Walker also built the Mount Morrison Cable Incline funicular railway which carried tourists from a base at what is today the parking lot of the amphitheatre up to enjoy the view from the top of Mount Morrison. The incline operated for about five years beginning in 1909.[11]"

    Basically I'm continuing to question the Hypothesis of Study by Academics.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I used to read, and later contribute, to a column called "English at Play." A few like-minded maniac and I would post* a sentence and the game would be on. We mangled the original for points. Just a idle time game, nothing more.


    *WAY pre-Internet, print media.
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    It's basically building on a tv series which was on British telly 20 years ago- I still have this book which accompanied it.
    It's interesting, although there's always the possibility of complete chance with some of the structures like chambered tombs and caves. How much some bright spark expanded what they had worked out on acoustics will always be open to debate.
    Stone Age Soundtracks | Paul Devereux
     
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    Let’s hope they don’t find an ancient stairwell…or bathroom. Imagine the BS they’d make of that…
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Well Mohenjo-Daro had toilets with running water in what was technically the Bronze Age.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Tell us what it was like back then.





    :D
     
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    Big Dipper over Pyramid Mountain
    Image Credit & Copyright: Steve Cullen

    Explanation: When did you first learn to identify this group of stars? Although they are familiar to many people around the world, different cultures have associated this asterism with different icons and folklore. Known in the USA as the Big Dipper, the stars are part of a constellation designated by the International Astronomical Union in 1922 as the Great Bear (Ursa Major). The recognized star names of these stars are (left to right) Alkaid, Mizar/Alcor, Alioth, Megrez, Phecda, Merak, and Dubhe. Of course, stars in any given constellation are unlikely to be physically related. But surprisingly, most of the Big Dipper stars do seem to be headed in the same direction as they plough through space, a property they share with other stars spread out over an even larger area across the sky. Their measured common motion suggests that they all belong to a loose, nearby star cluster, thought to be on average only about 75 light-years away and up to 30 light-years across. The cluster is more properly known as the Ursa Major Moving Group. The featured image captured the iconic stars in 2017 above Pyramid Mountain in Alberta, Canada.
    Night Sky Network webinar: APOD editor to review coolest space images of 2023
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Rough. You young 'uns don't know you're born yet...:D:p
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Oh, I don't know about that. I remember when Ugg invented fletching for arrows.
     
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    Did you know Ugg Boots are Australian? I wouldn't blame Americans thinking otherwise, an American company stole the idea! On going court cases later...
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    I was a young member of the NT Bowhunters Association back in the day...(i didn't shoot animals, just bush targets set up in the scrub). I had a re-curve bow...second only to the long bows in terms of difficulty drawing back the string. Re-curves produce a wicked amount of power - I then set about making my own arrows/shafts. Bought some crimson graphite tubing...cut to length then using a jig, set the fletches in place (then the nib and head last). I had bright pink fletches with a yellow cock feather (The single feather that orientates the arrow.) - Always smart to make your arrows as easy to see as possible if you want to find them again in the bush.
    Re-curve bow...
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    Bow hunters today use all sorts of aiming aids...Stabilizers, you name it...I just dont get it. You must use a "bare" bow in my book or you're cheatng...
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Bow? BrOWning M2 .50 cal. then.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    I started out on a 35lb recurve made of fibreglass in the 60's. Found my way up to a Bear 50lb (Maple?), laminate recurve and eventually bought a Golden Eagle compound 50-60lb. Had a couple more after that,55-70lb, and after tracking a 12 point buck for three days retired the archery gear.
    I have a cousin in Illinois who (whom?) kills two or three deer a year and two years ago switched to a crossbow. Told him that was totally cheating and he should consider staying in the house before he falls out of the tree stand. He wasn't amused.
     
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    Hehe...I was 12 and my Bear Bow was 80lbs...I had to do exercises during the week to keep the muscles up...My coach was the Long Bow Australian champion at the time...I remember going over to his house for the first time. This guy was at least 65...Whilst practicing in his back yard a beautiful young woman in a bikini turns up..."nice daughter" i think...Then she kisses the old bloke! A great advertisement for bow hunting to a 12 year old!
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    What da ya mean "At Least 65"! Why you young whipper snapper I outta I should. Never mind I forget. Besides the wife says it's getting close to my bedtime.
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Yeah sorry bruss...Im 52...65 is still old to me...Don't worry i've been called "grand Dad" by teenagers already!
     
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    I'm old school.

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    Always a bit of a radical, young Ugg.:pipesmoke:
     
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