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  1. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Well ya got to consider in Today's World pictures are more for consumer consumption than actual depiction. My take is they found a sliver of tendon and "deducted" it was a bow string and showed a current rope for illustration, neglecting to mention that. Kinda' like the footprints found that the paleontologist deduced were made within hours of each other several thousands of years ago.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I've seen braided bow string, Borneo "head hunters" kind. Anthropologists from Purdue brought back samples. They were braided but from one kind of sinew, IIRC. The craftsmen said the braiding was to keep, hopefully, two fully operational strings if one of the three broke. Might miss a meal if the whole thing broke, so redundancy.
     
  3. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Wonder when they'll discover Homo Perfide? ;)
    "Although only one species of hominin (a tribe of the subfamily Homininae) exists on the planet today—good ole Homo Sapiens —the human family, throughout more geologically-recent Earth history, was comprised of a complex tableaux of members. And over the years, scientists have tried to get a clearer picture of that prehistoric story by excavating ancient human sites around the world.
    Now, anthropologists from the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the University of Hawai’i are illustrating a previously unknown—or, rather, uncategorized—chapter of that story with the introduction of a new human species, H. juluensis. The researchers published the details of this new species in the journals Nature Communications and PaleoAnthropology.
    H. juluensis
    —the name for which means “big head”—thrived in eastern Asia from 300,000 years ago to around 50,000 years ago, when the species died out. According to the researchers, this group likely hunted wild horses, fashioned stoned tools, and even processed animal hides to survive frigid winters. University of Hawai’i’s Christopher J. Bae said that the breakthrough for discovering this possibly new species came when he and his team were devising a new system for organizing fossil evidence."
    Scientists Discovered a New Human Species That Defies Conventional Wisdom
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Well, here's a twist.
    "Far from triumphantly breezing out of Africa, modern humans went extinct many times before going on to populate the world, new studies have revealed.
    The new DNA research has also shed new light on the role our Neanderthal cousins played in our success.
    While these early European humans were long seen as a species which we successfully dominated after leaving Africa, new studies show that only humans who interbred with Neanderthals went on to thrive, while other bloodlines died out.
    In fact, Neanderthal genes may have been crucial to our success by protecting us from new diseases we hadn't previously encountered.
    The research for the first time pinpoints a short period 48,000 years ago when Homo sapiens interbred with Neanderthals after leaving Africa, after which they went on to expand into the wider world.
    Homo sapiens had crossed over from the African continent before this, but the new research shows these populations before the interbreeding period did not survive.
    Prof Johannes Krause of the Max Planck Institute of Evolutionary Biology, in Germany, told BBC News that the history of modern humans will now have to be rewritten.
    "We see modern humans as a big story of success, coming out of Africa 60,000 years ago and expanding into all ecosystems to become the most successful mammal on the planet," he said. "But early on we were not, we went extinct multiple times".
    Humans may not have survived without Neanderthals - BBC News
     
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    Hmmm...remember talking about this over a decade ago...
    I remember saying that only those that succeeded in Europe survived to tell the tale - And that there were probably many failed attempts (usually due to the weather rather than disease) that we will never know about.
    And "we" have said a few years ago that not only did we interbreed with Neanderthals, we probably did it deliberately to gain access to the "already successful" genes they had for the area...
    This is kind of old news...
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Homo Sap exploited the new genes, and we clever bastards pulled the Neanders into our lineage. Just my speculation, of course, I'm not THAT old.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    I'm holding out for the 'discovery' of 3 (or 30 or 300) million year old civilizations.
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Yeah, these guys covered it too-Ancient Human Occupation of Britain
    Think the article's trying to get the point over that the old idea of Neanderthals going extinct thanks to human activity is flawed, and it was a lot more complicated than we previously thought.
     
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    Homo Sap has proven itself time and again to be superior in "extincting" species - We also have shown that we dont like to "share" - (One reason aliens are keeping their distance).
     
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    True, but that doesn't mean it should automatically be the default position for scientists though.
     
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    Human behaviour (the only behaviour we can study closely). - Must be central to deducing the evidence. I can guarantee Sapiens and Neanderthals fought each other…the question is how often, to what extent and how much it led ultimately to their demise. Most scientists and archaeologists seem to lack an all round knowledge base and imagination, therefore make bland, super conservative, or outright wrong deductions…We are constantly hearing about amendments, changes of theories and brand new discoveries. I’m not surprised the ‘story’ keeps changing…Few are as bold as C Darwin in imagining and putting forward a considered and extensive theory…Most are wannabes and hacks, and would serve the community better making sandwiches.
    IMO
     
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    It's the only one we can study, but shouldn't represent a 'smoking gun'. That's an assumption of guilt, rather than studying the evidence.
     
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    I’m actually not saying that we did wipe them out…But for me remains the most likely scenario. We don’t seem to want to entertain the idea, despite wars going on around these academics as they look for Volcano dust theories…
     
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    HSS and HSN probably just mingled and interbred. It was "us against the world" back then, so I like to hope that they didn't kill each other just because of some minor physical differences. This would, probably, lead to less and less excitement about people who "looked different". There's enough variation in humans that the HSN people would be considered "us" rather than "animal".
     
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    Remember we lived amongst each other for tens of thousands of years…one doesn’t have to entertain the idea that we just met them and killed them…20 thousand years is plenty of time for the right situation to arise where conflict occurs.
     
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    Very true. The idea that scarce humans would met other scarce humans and immediately go to war with them is very narrow thinking.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Human are 1.2% away in DNA from the apes. On the whole we're not that 'behavioral' different than wild beasts. Which explains a lot.
     
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    Intelligence can be a dangerous thing…along with imagination and dexterous hands…that little percentage is the difference between sitting in a forest or stepping foot on the moon.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    But there's little difference in Society or 'Social' interaction when you compare us superior Beings to lowly beasts. Intelligence is just something we brag about to prove our Superiority over others. Bias is a learned concept (for lack of a better description) and as the population grows regardless if it be Animal or Human, conflict becomes increasingly likely.
     
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