VYACHESLAV'S FORUM

anti-war protests

the protesters saying they want peace, then starting riots, looting, and cause violence with police? i mean comon they'd rather fight with their own then fight a murderous dictator.



Police show objects taken from demonstrators at 7th and Mission streets, including knives, wrenches, large nuts, rocks and slingshots.

 

CNN Ordered Out of Baghdad

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&ncid=564&e=2&u=/nm/20030321/ts_nm/iraq_cnn_dc

 

No WMD in IRAQ?


Iraq attacked Kuwait with scud missiles.

 

An Iraqi woman welcomes U.S. Marines, as soldiers enter the southern border city of Safwan.

[ 22. March 2003, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: VYACHESLAV ]

 

North Korea warns of threat of nuclear war
By SOO-JEONG LEE
23mar03

NORTH Korea says the situation on the Korean Peninsula was deteriorating to the "brink of a nuclear war" because of US-South Korean war games.

And in its first official response to the war on Baghdad, North Korea called the military action in Iraq "a grave encroachment upon sovereignty".
It also accused the US of planning to attack North Korea after Iraq.

A North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman said the US-led war in Iraq should "compel (North Korea) to do all it can to defend itself".

North Korea criticised South Korea's decision to put its military on heightened alert as "an undisguised challenge and intolerable hostility".









South Korea said yesterday its military went on heightened alert to guard against possible North Korean moves to use the distraction of war in Iraq to increase tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

But it said the precautionary move did not involve significant troop movements.

"We cannot but express deep concern about the irrevocable adverse impact such reckless sabre-rattling going on in South Korea will have on peace on the Korean Peninsula and inter-Korean relations," said the Committee for Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland, a government agency in charge of relations with South Korea.

But South Korea's Unification Ministry said the war in Iraq should not have a negative impact on inter-Korean relations.

"It is regrettable that North Korea doubts our determination on reconciliation and co-operation on the Korean Peninsula," the ministry said.

South Korean Defence Minister Cho Young-kil said North Korea was conducting air raid drills across the country to heighten vigilance. But he said he saw "little chance of high-intensity military provocations" from the communist state.

Tensions have run high since October, when the United States said North Korea admitted having a secret nuclear program.

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun sought to ease foreign investors' concerns over the tensions.

"There will not be a war, or any chaotic situation that resembles war" on the Korean Peninsula, Roh said in a meeting with foreign companies.

AP

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,6168303%255E663,00.html

 

16:18

Russia vows to stop US move to legitimise Iraq war

Russia vowed on Saturday to block any future moves by the United States and its allies to win U.N. blessing for the military action against Iraq and the post-war power structures they might set up there. Keeping up fierce Russian criticism of the U.S. and British offensive, Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said he expected Washington to seek retroactive approval for their action from the United Nations after Iraqi resistance had been crushed.

"Attempts will undoubtedly be made in the U.N. Security Council to find ways which would help legitimise the military operations and the post-war (political) set-up in Iraq," he told a defence and foreign policy conference outside Moscow. "We will follow this very carefully and we will not, of course, give legitimacy to this action in the Security Council," Ivanov said.

Russia has veto rights on the Council which allow it to block resolutions it opposes. The fall-out over Iraq has dealt a hard knock to U.S.-Russian relations which have enjoyed an unusual period of warmth since President Vladimir Putin threw Moscow's support behind the U.S. war on terror following the September 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington.

Putin, who forged close personal ties with U.S. President George W. Bush, took the gloves off against Washington last Thursday for the first time in 18 months, denouncing the military action as a "big political mistake" and called for it to be ended rapidly. In the run-up to the U.S. and British offensive, Russia aligned itself with U.N. heavyweights France and China in opposing U.S. plans to use force to topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and disarm Iraq of alleged banned weapons. Ivanov told journalists: "I don't think Iraq needs a democracy brought on the wings of Tomahawk (missiles)." Speaking to the conference, he expressed concern over the future of Russia's considerable economic interests in the region once Saddam had been removed.

Reflecting fears that a pro-U.S. administration in Iraq might declare Saddam-era contracts null and void, he said: "We must defend our interests so that the contracts signed under Saddam Hussein will not be cancelled and declared invalid." And he cast doubt over Bush's assurances that the United States did not intend to seize control of Iraq's oil wealth. "Although it is being said that Iraq's natural resources belong only to the Iraqi people there will be an enormous desire to acquire these resources. And one of our aims is to defend our legal interests (in Iraq)," he said.

Russian oil companies have been deeply involved in Iraq and have the most to lose should any post-Saddam government seek investment from leading U.S. or British oil majors to develop Iraq's huge crude reserves. He made it clear that Moscow had no intention of complying with a request by Washington for nations to close down Iraqi embassies and force pro-Saddam diplomats to leave. Calling the request strange, he said: "We wrote to the (U.S.) State Department asking them what was behind this." //Reuters


The Cold War days are not over yet

 

15:22

Iraqi leaders praise Putin's stand in current conflict

The Iraqi leadership highly praises Russian President Vladimir Putin's statement concerning the situation around Iraq, Iraqi Ambassador Abbas Khalaf disclosed on Friday to journalists. The Russian president's statement proved once again that "Russia and its people always support justice, and those who believe that Russia has lost its position in the world are wrong," the ambassador stressed. //RIA-Novosti


Don't forget that Putin served in the East Germany as a KGB agent.

 

V :

I am assuming you are trying to prove a point correct ? would appreciate that postings be on the up and up.

Otto will be correcting some of the problems we have had the last three days, and I see no need for your repitive posts under your own header.

Understand I am trying to be neutral here as a moderator of the FFZ and ask that we all keep a cool head. If there is a problem with this then e-mail me privately.

Erich

 

Damage is visible to a building in Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's Baghdad palace compound March 22, 2003, after being hit by an air strike the previous night. U.S. and British warplanes pounded Baghdad around the clock on Saturday, upping the ferocity of their aerial bombardment as U.S. Marines battled Iraqi forces on the outskirts of the southern city of Basra. Photo by Goran Tomasevic/Reuters

 

Bush Supporters:- Two U.S. citizens hold a
banner outside the perimeter fence of the Lajes
joint-use U.S.-Portuguese air base Sunday,
March 16, 2003 on the island of Terceira in the
Azores archipelago where President Bush met
with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and
Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar for a
special summit to discuss the crisis in Iraq.
Also attending was Portuguese Prime Minister
Jose Durao Barroso.

 

Fire Fighters Creed

W hen I'm called to duty god
wherever flames may rage
give me strength to save a life
whatever be its age

Help me to embrace a little child
before it is too late
or save an older person from
the horror of that fate

Enable me to be alert
to hear the weakest shout
and quickly and efficiently
to put the fire out

I want to fill my calling and
to give the best in me
to guard my neighbour and
protect his property

And if according to your will
I have to lose my life
bless with your protecting hand
my children and my wife



http://pro-american.com/Hero_s/hero_s.html

 

Israel prevented atomic disaster in 1981

WASHINGTON--When Israel's Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, accompanied by Ambassador David Ivry, recently visited the Oval Office, President Bush remarked that Israel certainly has the right ambassador for the moment. He said this because Ivry has shown that he understands how preventive action is pertinent to the problem of weapons of mass destruction in dangerous hands. Bush's remark, pregnant with implications, revealed that the president as well as the vice president remembers and admires a bold Israeli action for which Israel was roundly condemned 20 years ago.

On the afternoon of June 7, 1981, Jordan's King Hussein, yachting in the Gulf of Aqaba, saw eight low-flying Israeli F-16s roar eastward. He called military headquarters in Amman for information, but got none. The aircraft had flown below Jordanian radar. So far, so good for Ivry's mission, code-named Opera.

Ivry, a short, balding grandfatherly figure with a gray moustache, was then commander of Israel's air force, which had acquired some of the 75 F-16s ordered by Iran from the United States but not delivered because of the 1979 revolution that toppled the shah. The F-16s were to be tested to their limits when Israel learned that Iraq was about to receive a shipment of enriched uranium for its reactor near Baghdad--enough uranium to build four or five Hiroshima-size bombs.

The reactor was 600 miles from Israel. Ensuring that the F-16s had the range to return to base required the dangerous expedient of topping off the fuel tanks on the runway, while the engines were running. Measures were taken to reduce the air drag of the planes' communications pods and munitions racks.

Prime Minister Menachem Begin ordered the attack to occur before the uranium arrived and the reactor went ``hot," at which point bombing would have scattered radioactive waste over Baghdad. The raid was scheduled for a Sunday, to minimize casualties. It was executed perfectly. Aren't we glad. Now.

The raid probably was not Israel's first pre-emptive act against Iraq's attempts to acquire nuclear weapons. In April 1979, unidentified saboteurs blew up reactor parts at a French port, parts awaiting shipment to Iraq. In August 1980 an Egyptian-born nuclear physicist important to Iraq's nuclear program was killed in his Paris hotel room.

The U.S. State Department said Israel's destruction of the reactor jeopardized the ``peace process" of the day, said relations with Israel were being ``reassessed," canceled meetings with Israeli officials and suspended deliveries of military equipment, including F-16s, pending a decision about whether Israel had violated the restriction that weapons obtained from America could be used only for defensive purposes. The New York Times said Israel had embraced ``the code of terror" and that the raid was ``inexcusable and short-sighted aggression." The Times added this remarkable thought:

``Even assuming that Iraq was hellbent to divert enriched uranium for the manufacture of nuclear weapons, it would have been working toward a capacity that Israel itself acquired long ago. Contrary to its official assertion, therefore, Israel was not in `mortal danger' of being outgunned. It faced a potential danger of losing its Middle East nuclear monopoly, of being deterred one day from the use of atomic weapons in war."

The Times was sarcastic about fear of Saddam Hussein (``even assuming ... hellbent") and sanguine about his acquiring nuclear weapons which would deter Israel from using such weapons. But 10 years later Americans had reason to be thankful for Israel's muscular unilateralism in 1981.

Today on Ivry's embassy office wall there is a large black-and-white photograph taken by satellite 10 years after the raid, at the time of the Gulf War. It shows the wreckage of the huge reactor complex, which is still surrounded by a high, thick wall that was supposed to protect it. Trees are growing where the reactor dome had been.

The picture has this handwritten inscription. ``For Gen. David Ivry, with thanks and appreciation for the outstanding job he did on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981--which made our job much easier in Desert Storm." The author of the inscription signed it: ``Dick Cheney, Sec. of Defense 1989-93."

Were it not for Israel's raid, Iraq probably would have had nuclear weapons in 1991 and there would have been no Desert Storm. The fact that Bush and Cheney are keenly appreciative of what Ivry and Israel's air force accomplished is welcome evidence of two things:

In spite of the secretary of state's coalition fetish, the administration understands the role of robust unilateralism. And neither lawyers citing ``international law" nor diplomats invoking ``world opinion" will prevent America from acting as Israel did, pre-emptively in self-defense.


©2001 Washington Post Writers Group

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/georgewill/gw20011101.shtml

 

Two hundred and eighty million Americans are getting a taste of what it's like to be Jewish. USA Today, America's most-circulated daily, recently reported on its front page that American tourists on the Continent are being attacked by their European hosts. From Paris to Munich to Rome to Amsterdam, Americans are being spat on and yelled at by passersby.

One American male reported that a pretty young European girl had walked over to him to ask for a light for her cigarette. He obligingly took out his lighter but when she saw the American flag emblazoned on its side, she passed on his offer and walked away without saying a word.
A mother and daughter said they were disgusted when they saw a sign that said, "Shoot Bush, Not Saddam."

Then there is the constant haranguing at the hands of taxi drivers who either drive straight by Americans without picking them up, or subject them to lengthy diatribes while taking them to their destinations. Talk about a bad bargain. Not only do you get attacked, you also have to pay for it.

So, what to do if you're just an innocent American who wants to see the Louvre? Here, USA Today delivered advice on their front page that I never in my life believed I would see. They actually advised American tourists traveling abroad to disguise the fact that they are Americans. Some of the hints included speaking less boisterously, as Americans are famously noisy, not wearing clothing with overt patriotic displays like an American flag, and, presumably, not immediately telling the taxi driver that George W. Bush is your golfing buddy, or that you enjoy hunting in Texas.

When I lived in England for 11 years serving as rabbi at Oxford University, I became familiar with the practice of more than a few British Jews removing their kippot while at university, and later while at work in London, for fear of being discriminated against by superiors or attacked by anti-Semites.

But who would have thought that one could be a citizen of the most powerful nation in the history of the world and still have to hide the tee-shirt with the Statue of Liberty while standing under the Arc de Triomphe?

For 2,000 years Jews have asked themselves the question an increasing number of Americans are now asking: Why do they hate us? Is it possible that the underlying causes of anti-Semitism are similar to the underlying causes of anti-Americanism?

When I lived in Oxford I heard all kinds of academic theories proffered as to the cause of anti-Semitism, but few seemed as straightforward as the reason given by the first documented, genocidal anti-Semite, the biblical Hitler, Haman. In asking King Ahasuerus for the authority to slaughter all the Jews in the ancient Persian empire, he says: "There exists a people, dispersed and scattered among the nations, in all the provinces of your kingdom. And yet their values are entirely different from everyone else's ."

Jewish singularity, Jewish peculiarity, a refusal to blend in and be like everybody else is what foments hatred in Haman's breast. Why do you Jews hold yourselves aloof? Why don't you just become like everybody else? Do you think you're better than us?

Add to this the Jewish penchant for promoting social justice and a steadfast commitment to espousing morality and you have the perfect formula for hating the foreigner who not only rejects your way of life while living in your country but makes you feel inferior, to boot.

The Talmud says that Mount Sinai (literally, mountain of hatred) was given its name because after the Jews received the Torah and committed themselves to lives of ethical virtue, the enmity of the world's inhabitants who now stood out as immoral descended heatedly upon them.

You see the same antipathy from Europeans directed at George W. Bush. Before Bush, Europeans could look at Americans and speak of a common Western heritage. But along came Bush and upset the whole applecart. He divided the world into good guys and bad guys, those who are with us and those who are against us. He threw God into his language at every opportunity. And by doing so he made the Europeans feel less worthy.

Who is this guy? Does he think he's better than us? What, we're not moral? Heck, we're better than him. He's a warmonger, and we are men of peace.
And so, just as the nations of the world always had to kill the Jewish message of morality and justice by killing the messenger first literally and then, when it was no longer in vogue, by impugning their motives and accusing them of trying to take over the world the same character assassination was applied to George W. Bush.

WANT TO know the real reason Bush is going into Iraq? All that talk of good and evil is pure hullabaloo. He wants the oil, darn it. He wants a new American colony. This is Pax Americana. He may be a Christian, but his designs are Jewish. He will stop at nothing less than world domination.
Bush is now even being accused by Rep. James of Moran of Virginia and others of being a pawn of the Jews, preparing to attack Iraq only because he is a slave to American Jewish interests, whose foremost concern is the State of Israel.

So the Jewish hypocrites, who talk of morality but really want to take over the world, have now enslaved George Bush, another hypocrite who talks of morality but really wants to take over the world.

At the root of the Arab hatred of Israel is the simple fact that Israel makes the Arabs look bad. Israel is a democracy, while the Arabs live in tyranny. Israel is literate, while tens of millions of Arabs are, sadly, illiterate. The Arabs claim to be strong, but Israel has proven them weak. Israel is a foreign bacillus contaminating Arab pride.

Likewise, George W. Bush makes European leaders look bad, and he makes them look weak. They are not prepared to fight for their convictions because they have no convictions. It is not that they speak French while he speaks English. Rather, he speaks the biblical language of right and wrong, while they speak the contemporary language of "Let's make a deal."

More than a decade of living in Europe convinced me that Europeans revel in their laid-back lifestyle (and its casual and easy-going ambiance is what makes Europe a favorite vacation destination for Americans). So when they hear that a genocidal murderer named Saddam Hussein has slaughtered more than a million of his own people, they do not immediately spring into action.

Their first reaction is: Must we do something about this, or can we safely ignore it?
The Europeans hate George Bush because they see him as an agitator, someone who stirs the pot when all they want is peace and quiet. They hate the Jews for the same reason.

Going back to Moses, Isaiah and Jeremiah, the Jews have thundered against injustice and railed against oppression. Moses became a leader not when he delivered a fiery speech to a party convention, but when he refused to turn away from a Hebrew slave being beaten and pretending that he just hadn't seen. He smote the Egyptian and rescued the oppressed slave even though by so doing he forever forfeited the pampered life of an Egyptian prince.

Had Moses attended the Jacques Chirac school of biblical policy, he would have sent in arms inspectors to remove the whip from the Egyptian's hands, after which they would have negotiated some lucrative deal to build pyramids together.

America and the Jews are teaming up take over the world. But it is a conquest of ideas rather than armies, and you can be sure that when they give it back, it will be in much better shape than when they took it.

The writer, a rabbi and best-selling author, hosts a daily radio show syndicated across the United States on the Talk America radio network.

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=78919038&f=2341971921&m=7861955626

 

Saudi Arabia denies links to terrorism

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, Nov. 2 (UPI) -- A Saudi prince Saturday denied the country had groups supporting terrorism or that charity organizations in Saudi Arabia were set up to support terrorism, the official daily Ukaz reported.
Prince Salman bin Abdul Aziz said the country was not responsible if "some change the work of charity into work of evil," according to the newspaper.
He told the paper that he had personally taken part in the activities of those organizations, "and I know the assistance goes to doing good. But if there are those who change some work of charity into evil activities, then it is not the kingdom's responsibility, nor it people, which helps its Arab and Muslim brothers around the world."
The prince, King Fahd's brother, added that if beneficiaries had used assistance "for evil acts, that is not our responsibility at all."
Saudi Arabia has repeatedly denied U.S. accusations that some of its charity groups had supported terrorism, but set up an umbrella organization to include all charity societies involved with relief work.


What a bull

http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20021102-125133-1551r.htm

 

An Australian protestor holds a placard during an anti-war demonstration on the streets of Sydney March 23, 2003. Thousands of protestors continued their actions on the Australian streets voicing their disgust at the continuing war in Iraq (news - web sites). REUTERS/James Morgan



Hard to imagine that people can do this while their own country men are fighting

 

A San Jose man who identified himself as Mike (L), who supports the U.S.-led war in Iraq (news - web sites), debates with an anti-war protester during an anti-war rally near the Civic Center in San Francisco, March 22, 2003. Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in cities across America against the war. Photo by Tim Wimborne/Reuters

 

Protesters throww stones at the front of the United States Embassy during a march against the U.S.-led war in Iraq (news - web sites) in Mexico City, Saturday, March 22, 2003.(AP Photo/Jaime Puebla)

Welcome to Mexico

 

How many anti war protestors have jobs?

It's really hard to tell since they are protesting everyday and look like they need a shower.

Take a look for your self

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030322/i/1048369794.4026540105.jpg

 

That's in Paris

Anything wrong with this picture?

All people are Arabs. No wonder France likes Iraq and Saddam.

 

Here are some more pictures:

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Demonstraters burn pics of Bush and Arroyo in front of the Amerikan ambassy in Manilla.


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A demonstrator, David Benzaquen, 19, from the Washington area, is arrested during an anti-war march to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's home in Washington, March 19, 2003



Pakistani children hold candles during a peace rally in Islamabad. March 20, 2003.



Ecuadorean demonstrators carry a Ronald McDonald statue to be burned in front of the U.S. Embassy during a rally protesting the war against Iraq



Protesters raise their red-painted hands outside the U.S. Consulate in the northern port city of Thessaloniki, Greece, Friday, March 21, 2003



Anti-war protester Jessica Kelly of Raleigh. After being beat-up by the police



Peace activists wave flags at Dam square in Amsterdam, during a protest against the war in Iraq.