THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!! I thought I was the only one here that knew that!!!1 O mY GOD thank you erich!!!!!!! ~edit, know that i have relaxed enough, Fried, you do realize that Roosevelt signed over half of your beloved Homeland to that bastard Stalin Right? Its amazing that you glorify leaders that have done things to hurt you. CvM (Erich, check my new sig ) [ 25. June 2003, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: Carl G. E. von Mannerheim ]
First, my dear Erich, the NET is NOT a reliable source for nearly any research... And second, I do not buy that FDR was a communist at all. That's like saying Bush took his towers down to take Iraq's oil and Afghanistan's opium... I am sure you, Patrick and Erich do not buy those cheap theories... Churchill and Rossvelt agreed on Stalin's terms at Yalta and Teheran because they couldn't do anything about this very important matter: the Soviet Union fought two thirds of all the German Armed Forces and defeated them on the field. They couldn't do anything about the huge Red Army going straight into central Europe except declaring war to the USSR, which they were not going to do, of course. And I perfectly know about Roosvelt's secret arrangements with Stalin. Roosvelt showed favourable to Stalin because again, he couldn't do anything about the Red Army rolling all over Europe at that time... And they came to an agreement about the British Empire: they would secretely were going to support the creation of new countries and states since none of them agreed about the idea of a monarchic empire. And because those small, young and unexperienced nations were going to provide them full benefits. The USSR could sell weaponry to the new nations and spread communism as Lenin himself wanted. And for the USA, it would provide new economies to 'support' and make their neo-colonies; absolute controll their economy, a neo-colonial empire. And this, my friends, are the EXACT theories of the economic imperialism taught by Adam Smith, John Maynard keynes (the main two capitalistic theorists) and of course, the complains of Karl Marx and Lenin (the things they claimed must be destroyed). You are the ones who have contradictory statements that I won't ever buy.
Now gentlemen, I understand that tyempers cn flare and you have known each other a long timw, but please do not fight here. If you would likle, I could start a "Was Roosevelt Communist?" thread anjd you can all have at each other there, but please not in here.
CvM very nie sig's, and thank U ! Gottfried my personaly beliefs is that U have bought the diealism of the world today man. If what you say is true then millions of Americans are fools including both sets of my parents. Only after the war and into Korea was Roos studied at length and members of his cabinet have come forward and stated facts about the loser of a president we had. U are correct about many internet sources and but there are some that strive for accuracy and of corse books can also give us bougus impressions. many documents on the man and his dealing with Stalin will never be given for public viewing and we have to accept that but there is always the possibility that in the dark deep corners of some US archiv someone with half intellignece will able to put the thoughts down on paper and bring the truth to light..... ok I'm done here too as well....... are we fighting ? ~E
I shouldn't open with my big fingers but--about uncle joe fighting 2/3rd the entire war with Germany being true BUT he would not have succeeded in destroying Hitler--without American and British lendlease products. You got to remember that the vast majority of his army also used Panje drawn carts. In other words--his army was not highly motorized and his vast and quick encirclements would never have happened and I firmy do believe that the German Military would have in the least--fought uncle joe to a stand still. Just my only 2 cents worth.
Well, I will NEVER believe that FDR was a communist in the entire meaning of the word. I have not seen any facts that prove that so far. You are right, Erich. There are very good internet sites as well as lousy books... but they're the exception. No, we are not fighting. We disagree, but we never fight. And yes, I have never questioned that "Lend&Lease" was the greatest help the Allies provided to the Soviets. The rations helped many Soviet people not to starve, the ammunition, jeeps and lorries were a tremendous relief to the Red Army, even if the tanks were not that appreciated. But all those things did not win the war themselves. It was the millions of Russian foot soldiers who fought and died the ones who broke the Wermacht's backbone, just the Russian muscles. No one questions America's entire victory in the Pacific nor its incredibly worth help in Europe, just do not question other's own victories.
True--those things didn't win the war by theirselves but--Lend lease played more than a mojor role in their being able to win the war. Now had the Germans had that kinda mobilization--I believe that they would have caused stalind govt to crash--or i the least--sue for a seperate peace or something of the kind.
