Hitler a poof? Gay roots of 3rd reich

Not generally interested in the sexual habits of the main players of WW2, but this article goes beyond that in that it covers "some" of the roots of the Reich. Order of the black sun is another interesting topic regarding roots of 3rd reich.


Hitler's "Gay" Roots

In 1945 a Jewish historian by the name of Samuel Igra
published Germany's National Vice, which called
homosexuality the "poisoned stream" that ran through
the heart of Nazism. (In the 1920s and 30s,
homosexuality was known as "the German vice" across
Europe because of the debaucheries of the Weimar
period.) Igra, who escaped Germany in 1939, claims
that Hitler "had been a male prostitute in Vienna at
the time of his sojourn there, from 1907 to 1912, and
that he practiced the same calling in Munich from 1912
to 1914" (Igra:67). Desmond Seward, in Napoleon and
Hitler, says Hitler is listed as a homosexual in
Viennese police records (Seward:299). Lending credence
to this is the fact, noted by Walter Langer, that
during several of those years Hitler "chose to live in
a Vienna flophouse known to be inhabited by many
homosexuals" (Langer:192). Rector writes that, as a
young man, Hitler was often called "der Schoen Adolf"
(the handsome Adolf) and that later his looks "were
also to some extent helpful in gaining big-money
support from Ernst Ro[e]hm's circle of wealthy gay
friends" (Rector:52).


Langer, a psychiatrist, was commissioned by the Allies
in 1943 to prepare a thorough psychological study of
Hitler. His report, kept under wraps for 29 years, was
published in book form in 1972 as The Mind of Adolf
Hitler. Langer writes that Hitler was certainly a
coprophile (a person who is sexually aroused by human
excrement) and may have practiced homosexuality as an
adult. He cites the testimony of Hermann Rauschning, a
former Hitler confidante who "reports that he has met
two boys who claimed that they were Hitler's
homosexual partners, but their testimony can hardly be
taken at face value. More condemning," adds Langer,
"would be the remarks dropped by [Albert] Foerster,
the Danzig gauleiter, in conversation with Rauschning.
Even here, however, the remarks deal only with
Hitler's impotence as far as heterosexual
relationships go, without actually implying that he
indulges in homosexuality. It is probably true that
Hitler calls Foerster 'Bubi,' which is a common
nickname employed by homosexuals in addressing their
partners. This alone is not adequate proof that he has
actually indulged in homosexual practices with
Foerster, who is known to be a homosexual"
(Langer:178). However, writes Langer, "Even today,
Hitler derives sexual pleasure from looking at men's
bodies and associating with homosexuals" (Langer:179).
Too, Hitler's greatest hero was Frederick the Great, a
well-known homosexual (Garde:44).

Like Langer, Waite also hesitates to label Hitler a
homosexual but cites substantial circumstantial
evidence that he was.

It is true that Hitler was closely associated with
Ernst Ro[e]hm and Rudolf Hess, two homosexuals who
were among the very few people with whom he used the
familiar du. But one cannot conclude that he therefore
shared his friend's sexual tastes. Still, during the
months he was with Hess in Landsberg, their
relationship must have become very close. When Hitler
left the prison he fretted about his friend who
languished there, and spoke of him tenderly, using
Austrian diminutives: 'Ach mein Rudy, mein Hesserl,
isn't it appalling to think that he's still there.'
One of Hitler's valets, Schneider, made no explicit
statement about the relationship, but he did find it
strange that whenever Hitler got a present he liked or
drew an architectural sketch that particularly pleased
him, he would run to Hess- who was known in homosexual
circles as "Fraulein Anna"-as a little boy would run
to his mother to show his prize to her...Finally there
is the nonconclusive but interesting fact that one of
Hitler's prized possessions was a handwritten love
letter which King Ludwig II had written to a
manservant" (Waite, 1977:283f).

Hitler, if homosexual, was certainly not exclusively
so. There are at least four women, including his own
niece, with whom Hitler had sexual relationships,
although these relationships were not normal. Both
Waite and Langer suggest that his sexual encounters
with women included expressions of his coprophilic
perversion as well as other extremely degrading forms
of masochism. It is interesting to note that all four
women attempted suicide af

 

A bunch of crap… like the one-ball myth.

All these gay-oriented theories are popular, because they produce big sales and provide homophobic groups with reasons to segregate.

However, Hitler's serious biographers all reject these theories. There is no actual evidence (except personal and doubtious accounts) to draw objective conclusions about somtehing as subjective as people's sexuality.

 

"All" these? I was only aware of one. This also would seem to be a fairly new theory. I wonder at how many of the "serious" researchers have commented on it?

 

Yes, I've seen more than one book about 'the Füher's hidden side'… crap!

Sir Ian Kershaw's biography of Hitler, Hubris and Nemesis do comment on this and clearly state what I've mentioned above: lack of evidence and vague subject.

 

Röhm was definitely, no proof of Hitler whatsoever, I think. And didn´t he send gays to camps...

 

Sending homosexuals to concentration camps does not suggest that Hitler was or was not homosexual any more than his sending left-handers to concentration camps suggests he was or was not left-handed.

In the final analysis, public lives are poor predictors of private lives, and vice-versa.

(Other facets of analysis erased before posting.)

 

Well,I can't imagine what evidence one could come up with in the here & now. If he was, it certainly would have been a well hidden secret. He had his image to protect. As for the homophobic charge, I hardly think one would write a book for that purpose. Sensationalism, book sales, perhaps.

Ironic how gay advocacy groups are always bringing up historical people like Alexander, Da Vinci, Pythagoras & trumpet what "great" homosexual historical figures they were to support their cause, But absolutely verboten to bring up any not so positive figures like Hitler. Typical hypocritical politically correct bs.

 

I will not assume that this was directed to me, but Hitler was certainly not gay. And it is not politically correct bs, it is the truth. I have deeply researched both the history of the III Reich and Hitler's life as well as the 'gay history'.

I absolutely do not deny people's proven sexual behaviour, whether they were good people like Plato or Saint Sebastian or bad as Caligula, Michael Jackson or Richard 'The Lionhearted'…

In fact, I'd suggest you to read this: List of gay people

 

It is politicaly incorrect bs to infer that writing articles that suggect that Hitler was gay, or partially gay is homophobic behaviour. It is a historic analysis, nothing more nothing less.

Could well be innacurate, but to label it homophobic because it is about an unsavory character is bunk.

 

No, not really.

It could only encourage bullshit of this kind, another product of pseudo-'Christians': www.godhatesfags.com

 

Disagree. Am not Christian for what it's worth. Wrong forum for this subject anyway.

 

Totally correct. My poor choice of words.

But it shows that he had no sympathy for this group of people either.