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Operation Bagration

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  1. Ceraphix

    Ceraphix Member

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    Operation Bagration, carried out in summer of 1944 was one of the largest military operations aver attempted, and encircled and destroyed and entire German Army Group. It was easily Germany's largest defeat during the war and permanently crippled it from the resulting losses in men and vehicles. So the question is: How come it isn't remembered up there with D Day, El Alamein and Stalingrad?
     
  2. GrossBorn

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    Good question and I will let other member's respond...I just have always had a question regarding the pronunciation. Is it baa-grayshun or bah-grahsheeown or something completely different?
     
  3. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Yes as JCF correctly pointed out this has been discussed here.....

    But to answer the question, I believe that this is only the case in the U.S. Unfortunately, Stalingrad is really the only battle on the Ost Front which is familiar to the U.S. public (for the most part). I know this because I live in the U.S. and went to school here.

    Battles like Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Kharkov, Kursk, Smolensk, Sevastopol etc. are very rarely discussed or written about in school books, if ever. If they are mentioned, they usually get about a paragraph and very often winter is accredited with the main reason for the Russian success.


    Prapoganda and patriotism are definate factors......
     
  5. C.Evans

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    Im assuming that your talking about Army Group Center? as they were shattered by the Russian Winter offensive of 43-44 and the Summer offensive of 44. Prettymuch they were useless as an Army Group as a whole.

    As to an answer to your question-I can't fathom why this is not mentioned in history books? The last school book for a history class I saw (about 8 years ago) had a total of six, that's SIX pages on WWII. Three of those six pages were only devoted to the Holocost.

    When I was in Jr. High and Highschool, our books had at least full chapters on the subject of WWII-usually starting with the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor and ending with the A-bombs dropped on Japan.
     
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    While not in mint condition, im not so sure it was useless. If im not mistaken, Army Group Centre was the strongest of the three German formations. ;)
     
  7. Slipdigit

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    In absolute numbers of men, yes. It was deficient in armor to AG South.
     
  8. Sloniksp

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    But even that was only the case after armor from AGC was ordered to reinforce AGS for a pending Soviet Offensive.
     
  9. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Won't argue that, just addressing manpower of AGC. I started looking for numbers and grew weary of it. Before I quit looking, I found over 700,000 for AGC and over 500,000 and 400,000 for AGS and AGN, but I forget exact numbers. Something like 2.5million men in the Red armies facing AGC.
     
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    Give or take a hundred thousand depending on ones sources :D
     
  11. C.Evans

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    Hi Slon, Jeff answered your question before I could ;-)) Thanks Jeff!
     

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