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Most widely used German Tank

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  1. B-17engineer

    B-17engineer Member

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    Which German tank was used more on the Eastern Front?
     
  2. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    I agree on the different versions of the Pzkfw IV. It was the workhorse of the Army
     
  4. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    When it mattered? The Pz III. By the time the Pz IV was the primary tank with German forces in Russia the Germans had already lost the war and were just playing for time.
     
  5. Ceraphix

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    I'd go with Panzer IV Ausf's F2, G, and H lumped together.
     
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    I would agree as well on the Pzkfw. IV of all models; it was the Wehrmacht's version of the Luftwaffe's Messerchmitt Bf-109.
     
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    I agree.... The pzkfw. Iv It was the germany armys workhorse
    The stug III/Iv was also used in big numbers
     
  8. JCFalkenbergIII

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    OK we have a few opinions and guesses. any hard facts? :)
     
  9. Tomcat

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    I can tell you the Russian's most used tank with hard facts with references in many books and wesbites:D
     
  10. T. A. Gardner

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    Up through late 1943 the Pz III was still the most significant tank in the German inventory. At that point it was being deployed in roughly equal numbers to the Pz IV in most panzer divisions. It isn't until nearly the beginning of 1944 that the Pz IV becomes the dominant tank. By then the Pz IV is also quickly being replaced by the Panther, and by mid to late 1944 it is now only in service in about equal numbers to the Pz V.
    So, we can easily see that the Pz III was the tank the Germans fought most of their war with.
     
  11. Za Rodinu

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    I agree with Terry's view. Look up a roster of IInd SSPZKorps for the Kursk battle and you'll see the most significant tank at this culminating battle was the Pz III. There was a low number of PzIVs there.

    I don't have the figures on hand as all my books are packed, however it will all be in Nafziger and Niklas/Zetterling.

    Meanwhile I found this in The German Order of Battle at Kursk

    Remember there were two other PzKorps involved in Army Group South (3rd and 48th), plus what was available to 9th Army (A.G. North) (41st with one PzDiv.; 47th and 46th with 4 Inf.Divs, but not a single Pz.Div., so be careful with German pompous sounding designations :D )

    Production was being shifted from PzIII to StuG III, and PzIV production was being increased, but of course Kursk was the last large German offensive so all of what came later with PzIVs and PzVs were defensive battles. The big Barbarossa victories were dependent on the Pz III and Pz II.
     
  12. PzNovak

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    I would agree with the Pz IV as a true TANK, but the most used AFV would have to be the StuG III, the germans made more of those than any other armored vehicle around 9000 if you count the StuH 42 as well
     
  13. JCFalkenbergIII

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    The number of Panzer IIIs produced from 1939 to 1943 was appox. 5676 of all marks. Thats not including the 10,635 various marks of the StuG III and StuH 42 from 1940-1945. The Panzer IV had 8298 of all marks from 1939-1945. and 1,141 Stug IV. The majority of Panzer IIIs from 1941 -1943 were used on the Eastern Front.
     
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    The Panzer 4's. The Germans invaded with those and the Tigers and Panthers were not made until 1943.
     
  15. Joe

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    Actually the IV's where a minority during the Blitzkrieg stages. It was the II's and III's that did most of the invading.
     
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    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    Although I agree with the Panzer IV's being a minority during the invasion of france and the initial invasion of Russia and Norht Africa, I would have to say that the Panzer IV would have been the overall most used tank during the war. Being developed and produced from beginning to end, it was used on many varients of models from A - J tanks, tanks destoryers, AA tanks and support vehicles. It also was much better equipped then the Pz III and better armoured.
     
  17. Joe

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    The Bf-109 and PzKpfw IV where quite similar, both of them where workhorses, and both where heavily upgraded, often with reduction in performance, by wars end. They both served right through the war too.
    So, I have to agree the IV was the most widely used tank.
     
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    The German Tigers and Panthers although quite powerful and capable of doing more then any other German tank in their inventory, they were few in number and available to later in the war. The tiger was also hard to produce so even less were completed, so they cant possible fit into this thread.:)

    So yes the PanzerKampfwagon IV (PzKpfw IV) wins:p
     
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    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    After Pz III production wond down, yes.

    And as read elsewhere:
     
  20. Ceraphix

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    Would the fact that more ausf's of Panzer III's were made(A-M) as opposed to Panzer IV's(A-J) indicate anything about overall usage/production?
     

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