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  1. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Member

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    There are more than a few who, if they don't downright worship or admire the Nazis in some fashion or another, will try to justify the Nazi's behavior as something that was to be expected because the Jews (insert some cockamamy action or event that the Jews supposedly did or caused to happen) and that the Jews brought on the Holocaust to themselves.
    As Slip said, some are VERY vocal and antagonistic about this and tend to attack and ridicule those who would dare try to challenge them.

    tom
     
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  2. scarface

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    Gay Nazi action dolls?????_:eek:_



    Boy..... I sure didn't see THAT coming!




    ....gonna' take me a bit to get my head around that concept....



    .... I'll get back to you.....


    (....Gay Nazi action dolls......whoa!)

    -whatever

    -Lou
     
  3. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    theyre only antagonistic hiding behind a monitor
     
  4. PattieThomas

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    Dad's heritage was (mother) Ist generation Scotch and (father) 1st generation German. He went to Canada in 1941 to enlist in their army as the U.S. was not yet in WWII...He had no problem killing Germans and especially the murderous psychopaths of the Hitler Youth and the SS.

    Anyone who gives any level of credence to the Nazi movement now is either Evil on all levels or a punk with no reason to reproduce. To attempt justification of anything Nazi shows an indomitable lack of appreciation for human life.
     
  5. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    WOW Pattie I love your style ya pull no punches speak the truth and it sounds like your dad shot Straight :) BRAVO!
     
  6. PattieThomas

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    Thanks Mortman...What I post here is truly from the heart. Being raised in a home headed by a WWII Vet was not always a 'beach' but damn, it it sure could be a
    'be-atch'! In any event, I learned much from Dad and his 'shoot it straight' philosophy is one thing that has stayed with me all these years.
     
  7. lwd

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    It's kind of off topic but may illustrate the point a bit. In reference to US heavy tanks:
    The M26 was actually developed as a medium tank. It was rerated a heavy, apparently for propaganda purposes for a while (1-3 years I think) then changed back to a medium tank.

    The point about the info available is I believe a very valid one. The Germans were a lot more prolific with their accounts after the war. Pretty understandable. Not only did the US encourage them to write for info purposes but unemployed generals of a defeated nation don't have a whole lot more to do. Accounts which rehabilitate them also make them more employable in the long run.
     
  8. TheRedBaron

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    That would therefore make him a cold bloodied and heartless killer. No issue with that. My granddad was the same.

    Can you also explain which parts of the Hitlerjugend were murderous psychopaths?

    If he did not see any difference in killing Germans, when then did he reserve sprecial treatment for the 9 - 18 year olds of the HJ and the SS?



    What amuses me about these topics is that they seem rather pointless. No-one who has Nazi tendencies is going to post because they have no congegent arguement on which to mount a defence and I doubt their knowledge of history would help. You are aiming at a biased group who are sucked in by the 'cool' factor without much brains.

    But then some of the posts here are just as biased.

    Sadly, people will never discuss history without a bias. So arguements and threads like this will continue.

    Was every German a Nazi?

    No.

    Was every Waffen-SS man a war criminal?

    No.

    Was every German soldier a superhuman?

    No.


    If you want them top stop their biases, please alleviate your own.



    With regards to Skorzeny, his activities were well staged for maximum exposure and he happily robbed the real planners of Gran Sasso of the glory. He was a charlatan and a chancer... But a very good one. He made an excellent living after the war training various secret police units in South America, especially the Argentinian one, helped finance several major robberies (and is rumoured to have been involved in the Great Train Robbery) and while other less guilty men rotted in Siberian camps he lived a life of the playboy and made millions.

    A clever man, but not one to admire.
     
  9. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    Umm Red in war ya kill the enemy.. ya dont Play chess with the guy.. YA KILL him... and I dont have a problem at all with the germen soldiers who Killed Allied troops... thats part of war... I do have a problem with Gennocide rape torture (GOD DONT BRING UP ABU GHARIB) Ethnic clensing etc etc etc... I just Finished INFANTRY ACES by Franz Kurowski... youll never here me say the germens werent brave or just down right tough.. they were... still no excuse for theyre extra curricular activiries.. Man if ya can find me some actual facts on Otto id love it... OK David sterling is now my Fave Special operations commander in ww2 that settles it LOL
     
  10. TheRedBaron

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    Mortman,

    I will dig out the books I have on him and PM you a list of them. If you have trouble getting hold of them in the US, let me know and I will post them over.
     
  11. Mortman2004

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    Appreciate it red... as ive said before youve got class...
     
  12. Totenkopf

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    When People are stereotyped in the maximum possible way. The people who are interested in them are usually forced to swallow those stereotypes by others.

    Some people might be ignorant and worship Political Fanatic Minorities but some who are just very Interested in them or have more knoledge to defend them and such are presented with a bandwagon of people who all scream at them that 'They are Worshipers" Or Neo-Nazi or Evil and That such B.S. If I said how much I like the Browning 50cal. would I be accused of being a Western Worshiper? Hell no, I would simply be givin a Pat on the back and be encouraged to mock German admirers.

    When I read about Tanks and Battles in World War 2 Maybe in Normandy for Example I may read about; say and Allied Tank Convoy That got the Crap beaten out of them by German Tank Hunting Squads I might be amazed and will admire that. But if I said that on a forum I would be called a ignorant and people might say: "He just think Germans have Cool weapons" But in Reality I simply admire what some might call "Tactical Chance" is there anything wrong with that? I think not. Just because I like German things dosent mean I dont adore the Matilda wreaking Havoc on poor Grunts without A.T. Weapons.

    When I Played the Last mission of Call of Duty 3, the Mission "Closing the Gap" I got so pumped and tried to kill as many Germans as possible only later when I though about and was Ashamed with myself from enjoying killing my Fellow Humans. Thats why I stopped taking WW2 games seriously long ago.

    Propoganda is the real enemy of everyone.
     
  13. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    Good insight Toten...
     
  14. Martyn

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    Hi Mortman2004.

    Firstly let me say that there should be no space on this sight for Neo-Nazis. If this is their belief then take it to another sight, it doesn't belong here. I've got no problem with their beliefs, but it is not the same as mine!
    The Nazis were held in esteem because they were very efficient in their warfare, the Blitzkreig tactic was used for the first time during the Polish campaign & then back in Europe & eventually in Russia. It was so effective, you can never deny this. It wasn't the Great War (I don't call it the first world war because they didn't know this at the time!). The wermacht did exactly what they said on the tin. The Japenese are not held in the same esteem because they are in the far east. If they were closer to Britain people may have thought different, but also the Japs had a lesser army to fight, ie. the Chinese, who had inferior weapons & tactics. It's no wonder they over-run them. I appreciate your comments but there are so many different opinions & I think it quite healthy that you brought this up, It opens up an emotive debate. My opinion is whoever you were fighting for, you had a job to do! That's warfare!

    Martyn.
     
  15. Mortman2004

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  16. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Depends on how you put it. If you used too many descriptive adjectives then it might become objectionable, but if you employed a cool-headed technical description of a combat situation, well the Germans did win a lot of those.

    I'm a tabletop wargamer. As my username implies, I've developed my knowledge on the Red Army. On the other hand, for my solo games and in order to provide a second force for any visitor, I also have a large German contingent. Carefully researched, painted and organised. Does this make me a nazi? No, it makes me a intellectually honest guy.

    An entomologist will certainly know a lot about insects. Does he have to adore bugs? Not necessarily.

    So some of us will know a lot about the German or whatever armed forces of the period. It depends whether this means if he has a romantic appreciation (or whatever word will apply better) or if he can take a more balanced, distant view.
     
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    See not one german worshipper answered this... Not one Jeez LOL
     
  18. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Mike, are you being ironic or naive? It's more than obvious that only a kamikaze would have the mindset to enter an airspace with so much AAA puffs already flying. It's more than obvious that none of the 'usual suspects', whoever those might be, will ever enter this thread. So get yourself a large, comfortable chair and sit on it with a thick book and a large supply of coffe or whatever you prefer ;)

    I think this thread has exhausted its usefullness.
     
  19. Martin Bull

    Martin Bull Acting Wg. Cdr

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    And the goalposts seem to have moved from 'Nazi-' to 'German-worshippers'.....
     
  20. Erich

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    agree heartedly with Za, go back to my first posting pm the first page and read my comments .......

    this thread is no-more
     
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