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Obama has won

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by cross of iron, Nov 4, 2008.

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  1. Kruska

    Kruska Member

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    Hello Stefan, I don't really think so.

    Bush was (is) known for his "stressing the American point of view and action" in regards to anything. Obama so far has made people believe that he is more of a partner to the "natural allies or America's friends".

    Personally I have no reason to believe so - pulling out of Iraq is more of a financial issue then a declaration towards having made a big mistake, a military involvement towards the Iran is just as likely under Obama as it would have been under Bush.

    The present USA is in financial and economic shambels due to a president who didn't care too much about doing his homework. Obama has promised a change in regards to these issues - that's why he got elected - a general change in US foreign politics doesn't seem likely to me.

    Exept for loosening visa regulations with Kenia :D

    Regards
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  2. Tomcat

    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    Absolutely, but American politics (mainly the Iraqi war) always seems to cause some kind of disruptions. I tell you mate, its you Americans.:D

    Ah its great to be an Aussie, we just hide behind our ww2 big brother America, or if we need to our mother England, and if we really get desperate there is always the Kiwis, then we can really bring the ANZAC's to bear.:D
     
  3. Mussolini

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    The Scary thing is that Obama won so much support and has absolutely no track record. Yes, I will say it - the Race Card was a huge factor! Why? Because Obama hasn't proven anything and doesn't have any 'resume' to back up all his talk. For such 'widespread' support, he really doesn't have much of anything to warrant that support.
     
  4. von Poop

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    I am hurt and offended by this suggestion.
    You sir, are a bounder, and no doubt a cad.
    I will forgive you though, based on an understanding for the difficulties found by those of Convict heritage :D.

    (As we're keeping it chilled I shall pre-emptively offer that; yes, I am aware that the 'convict myth' is far more complex in reality than is often stated... it is good fun though :eyebrows:.)



    And naturally... salutes all round to the ANZACS, particularly at this time of year.

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  5. Tomcat

    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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  6. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Not desiring to drag this thread in another direction, but I would ask that you read about this before laying blame for it at the Presidents' feet.

    The loosening of controls on mortgage approval was begun during the Clinton administration and when the impending problems we are facing now were identified 3-4 years ago, you can go back and note what House and Senate Committe Chairmen and members opposed any changes to the guidelines that would have lessen the abiltiy of poorly qualified borrowers to obtain mortgages. It is resulting deluge of insolvent sub-prime mortgage defaults that is driving this downturn. The large numbers of sub-prime mortgages were opposed by conservative members of Congress and they were roundly condemned for wanting to "deprive the poor of a home." The current President-elect is one of the members of Congress who, during that time, obstructed the attempts to head off the then impending problem by refusing to address needed changes. It is in the Congressional Record, it was just not reported on significantly by the major news organizations. I wonder why?
     
  7. Kruska

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    Hello Slipdigit,

    more or less correct what you forward, however the loosening of controls was a necessary thing to do, in order to revive the almost total bankrupt policy era of Reagan & Bush senior - IIRC about 4000 Billion $ state debt the day Clinton and the dems took over. Within 3-4 years this Clinton managed to place a + in front of the state deficit - to me a truely remarkable and outstanding achievement.

    After 8 years Bush junior and a (IMO totally reccless policy) in regards to the old times overspending and a astronomical military budget (in peacetime!!) the whole loan, credit and mortgage based US economy is down to the facts again - to simply blame it on the Dems or Clinton doesn't make sense to me.

    If at all it would be the "American way of live" (financing) that needs to be blamed and which is shared in majority by both Dems and Reps - right?;)

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  8. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

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    Sorry, got me a tad confused, don't think what? I only ask because I agree with most of the rest of your post ;)



    Sorry old bean but someone needs to explain the way of the world to this colonial whipper-snapper ;)

    Ahh, accepting you have a problem is the first step on the road to the solution, well done.

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    Both very English/British words ;)
     
  9. Kruska

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    Sorry, ill worded (hey I am not Australian :D).

    You mentioned that Obama is most likley to close the gap and can strenghten the ties between Europe and the USA again.

    This however I find difficult to believe (I don't think so) since I can't really see any change in point of view in regards to the foreign policy of Obama and the Democrats. (Besides him "wanting" to talk to extremists). Hillary (a democrat) expressed herself and her parties view towards an Iran scenario very clearly. WAR

    And it is this view, that created the gap between Europe and the USA in the first place. (regardless of reps or dems).

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    I disagree, but that is for another thread.;)
     
  11. Richard

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    To quote couple of Republican voters on UK TV news.........

    I see America in deep trouble and cut back in our armed forces.

    This is a sad day for we will go to ruin.
     
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    I see your point, but I think the election of someone who the rest of the world doesn't regard as 'a bit of a loony' is whats going to make the difference.
     
  14. Kruska

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    Well, let's hope so :)

    Regards
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  15. Richard

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    I can not say much on Obama until he has severed a year. Until then, he has put his money where his mouth is and now he has won the right to be President. Will the words match his results we shall see. ;)
     
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    A little Freudian slip there, Richard?:eek::D
     
  17. Richard

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    I blame fluoridation of the water around here for that slip up. :rolleyes: :D
     
  18. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    But it is for your own good, Richard. When I was a boy, we had our own well-no fluoride. Guess when I started getting cavities? Several years after I started living in town, drinking "city" water.;)
     
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    Most around here have private wells..bloody scary things they are..i discovered some on the property without ever realising they might have been there.Old stone lined shafts, deep too..ground level just were covered over by flagsones or one case a thin metal sheet.
    Even now just thinking terrifies me , but in saying that..waters as good here as ive experienced in Scotland anywhere.
     
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    Americans: Say goodbye to a strong national defense and hello to more food stamps and W.I.C. cheese!
     
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