More lunacy coming down the pike with cap and trade and Gobal climate (not warming any longer) change Big Brother, sister, grandpa, grandma ... just name a big "relative" Everyone in Britain could be given a personal 'carbon allowance' - Telegraph
Hmm, I take it you have never read any Orwell then? The change from 'global warming' to 'climate change' is an interesting one, largely brought around by the fact that global warming refers to a very specific and hotly debated process whereby certain (largely man made) factors cause a warming affect which changes the global climate (not necessarily warming however). Climate change is a fairly well accepted idea that the climate is in fact changing and whether it is man made or not we certainly need to adapt to our changing world. That seems fairly logical to me.
Yes, climate change, they have done ice core sample's in Greenland to prove that the climate has had its cooler times as well as hotter times, all part of a cycle. This is widely accepted. Global warming, on the other hand, is not. I equate Global warming with agenda pushers. Yours, Bill
Fairly accepted by some scientists. Those who you might call deniers don't however agree with your scientific support. You therefore would dispute them. This in itself does not make you or your scientists correct. I could cite many, and a quickly growing number of scientists, who would prove that statistically the sun is causing what you say man is causing. Because You believe otherwise doesn't make it right. It just means you believe what you believe. Logic has already blown a hole the size of the shrinking Ozone hole in Al Gores settled Hypothesis.
Tfer, please take the time to read what I wrote, I never said I believed in either one. Nore did I say that climate change was man made, I simply explained the difference between the two ideas. Climate change and global warming are two very different theories; it is a fairly well recognised scientific fact that the climate is changing, it always has done and probably always will do. We still have to learn to live with it one way or another. Whether man has influenced the changes is up for debate (and I reserve my judgement on that particular issue), global warming is easily challenged, climate change is not. So yeah, please do try to read what people have written before you start making assumptions about their beliefs.
Barely 'Orwellian', particularly as it's only part of a 20 year consultation programme. Standard bit of speculative frippery. Maybe get the literary references to Orwell right? It's like that "sleep peacefully in their beds" quote so often attributed to the man... something he never really said in word or paper, so Un-Orwellian in tone but the Internet has picked it up and run with it. Now this is 'Orwellian' : State to 'spy' on every phone call, email and web search - Telegraph Open Rights - Interception Modernisation Programme Interception Modernisation Programme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And being enacted now. ~A
Frippery? Is that another one of those words you Limeys make up when because you couldn't remember the word you wanted to use?
He, He I don't know what frippery is but here's one definition that we former subjects use. The total control of daily life by the state, as in a " Big Brother " society. It's one that people use and understand and is pretty common here. Once again we are in the arena of opinion and I have mine. I am not lonely in this one. The government is not in place to control everything we do. We do have a political "tension" here across the pond and there are a fair number who don't mind turning over to the gov control of many aspects of life. I'm just not one of them. Having a government worker or more likely a computer tracking everything I do is not my idea of freedom. Surveillance is an issue you are confronting as detailed in this story. Is this Orwellian by definition? BBC NEWS | UK | Britain is 'surveillance society'
Stefan, You are one hundred percent correct here. My apologies. I didn't read your post as closely as I should have. I agree that the climate changes. The problem Gore and others have is that when they came out with their campaign it was all about Global Warming, how everything was melting - We've had record colds in the States the last couple years and statistically earth hasn't been warming since 1998. I know someone will find graphs to the contrary. The hurricanes, tornados, monsoons etc were to be increasing in number and ferocity - they are decreasing. on and on. Then, all of a sudden the focus became climate change. Al Gore has gone from 10 million in wealth to over 100 million milking this. I am all for people making money so I actually don't begrudge him. It's just crazy that he's making it on climate change.
Jeff, you are about right about frippery but you have more than a few of your own ('hornswaggled' being a great one). Tfer, no worries, I still don't think this story is particularly Orwellian (an investigation into ways in which we can minimise/live with climate change doesn't involve much government control). There are far worse examples over here and over there (people being held without trial, the taking and retention of DNA samples from the innocent, CCTV and so on) and yet in many ways we just have ourselves to blame. We are the ones who join in with the media shouting about errors made by the police, we then shout about the police not being able to do their job because they spend so much time covering their backs in case of errors, we then get all het up about 'anti-social behaviour' and we are the ones who then go nuts about the cameras put up to try to tackle it. A horrible combination of a media totally lacking in morals, a government constantly twiching with knee-jerk reactions and an ignorant public have put us on this road and I for one don't particularly like where it goes.
Something I find funny (and this is sorta reated to this topic) is that the man who claimed to have invented the internet (we all know who this jackass is) has been constantly proven with facts, at how wrong he is about """""""global warming""""""" among other things. The climate goes through natural changes-meaning it goes through heating and cooling phases. I sure wish that the IDIOT: Al "Bush-stole-the-election-with-dimpled-and-hanging-chads" gore, would get this through its head before it blows up so huge from all the hot air that stays inside it.
That is more of a Texas thing. We only say it to make fun of them, which isn't too hard to do. Our gem is "fixin". As in "I'm fixing to go to town."
