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Attempt to blow up airliner foiled

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Kai-Petri, Dec 26, 2009.

  1. USMC

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    To the Dept. of Homeland Security: WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
     
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    I just read (and lost the URL for) an article about the "failure", and it appears that this may have come down again to "inner agency" turf wars of a sort. One knew one thing (FBI), one knew another (CIA), one knew both but didn't share with either of the others (NSA).

    They don't communicate with each other STILL, let alone share information they receive from other intel agencies with their "in-nation" rivals. The man's visa was expired for the UK, and this should have moved him up onto the "no-fly" lists of all the western powers, but the UK didn't share that with everybody in the US, and the one group they did share it with didn't share it with the others.

    Of course, looking in from the outside we are all just guessing. But knowing how bizarre the NSA has been for it's entire existence as per data sharing I wouldn't be surprised at all if the "knowledge" was hidden in there somewhere and just never shared with the FBI or the CIA, and Home Land Security has to use the data they get from the others since they don't have an independent data gathering power.
     
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    I've got to add this 'toon to this thread!
     

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    That seems to be a dead link.:confused:
     
  6. USMC

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    I agree.
     
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    Might I ask with what it is that you agree?

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Last week's failed plot to bomb a U.S. passenger jet has exposed lingering fissures within the U.S. intelligence community, which had information from interviews and clandestine intercepts but did not put the pieces together, officials said.

    Turf wars between U.S. spy and law enforcement agencies are nothing new. But lapses that allowed a Nigerian suspect to board a Detroit-bound plane with a bomb on Christmas Day, and the finger-pointing that followed, have raised questions about sweeping changes made to improve security and intelligence- sharing after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

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    Plot exposes fissure in U.S. intelligence community - Yahoo! News

     
  8. USMC

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    Yes indeed..
     
  9. tfer13

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    Sorry - fixed it

    This is an old story - 2004 - but it explains how the wall happened.
     
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    Well, how many people have to die before someone (Napitano?? Obama??) steps up to the plate and does something to fix the problem?

    I don't see what good standing for hours in security lines, and being treated like maximum security prisoners, does airline passengers, when known Al-quaida- linked terrorists are allowed to walk onto planes unchallenged. If we have to tolerate police-state conditions when we travel, we should at least be able to feel safe. The Department of Homeland Security has been granted extraordinary, even unprecedented, powers; powers no agency or individual should be able to wield in a democracy. If they can't use that power efficiently to keep individuals of this sort off aircraft, then they should be disbanded, and the power dispersed.

    I still don't see why the individual who knew of the Al-quaida connections of this person didn't immediately place him on the "no-fly" list; I mean how hard is it to place a phone call to the guy who controls the list and let him know?
     
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    Here is some more data on the "watch lists" and other non-communication porblems.

    British intelligence passed on to U.S. authorities information about a Nigerian accused of trying to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner but he was not singled out as a particular risk, Prime Minister Gordon Brown's office said Monday.

    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's name was included in a dossier of people who made contact with known extremists in the United Kingdom but officials believe he was radicalized after he left the country in 2008, according to Brown's spokesman, Simon Lewis.
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    Britain says it passed airliner suspect data to US

    And more stuff on a different "watch list" personage.

    Kenyan authorities had arrested a man now charged with attempting to kill a Danish cartoonist after he arrived ahead of U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's visit earlier this year, a police official said Monday.

    Police spokesman Eric Kiraithe identified the man as Mohammed Muhideen Gelle, and said he was on a terror watch list. His trip to Kenya ahead of Clinton's August visit had raised red flags and he also was seen associating with other suspects on the Kenyan terror watch list, Kiraithe said.

    The man cannot be identified in Denmark due to a Danish court ban. But when asked whether Kenyan authorities had confirmed that the suspect in Denmark was the same man previously in Kenyan custody, Kiraithe replied: "Yes, he's the one."

    Kiraithe said the suspect was held on immigration charges that were later dropped. He was arrested July 30 and released Aug. 12.

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    Kenya: Cartoonist attack suspect on watch list
     

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    What penalty will he get IF convicted..............???
     
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    This guy will probably get the same sentence as Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) did about eight years ago. He is currently serving a life sentence without parole in a super max prison in Colorado.

    Or he could be charged with "interfering with the performance of duties of flight crew members by assault or intimidation". That has a less lengthy sentence (20 years), but he will probably not be given that option since he did manage to ignite the device, that it failed to operate as planned certainly doesn’t mollify his action.
     

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