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The Battle For Verrières Ridge

Discussion in 'Western Europe 1943 - 1945' started by Spaniard, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. Spaniard

    Spaniard New Member

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    That's not correct at all, a Mystery, LOL. looks like he needs to hit the Archives faster then the wind.
    First he can't even spell Simonds or Simmonds properly!

     
  2. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    To all;

    Let's keep the negative comments about other posters down and focus ONLY on the topic. If that becomes impossible, this thread will close.
     
  3. Spaniard

    Spaniard New Member

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    Not a problem for me Mr LRusso. Now that being said I found the Article I had on the 272 which has more information, It looks like the Majority is Word for Word from the one macrusk Posted. Same still applies there's inaccurate info in this article.

     
  4. Spaniard

    Spaniard New Member

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    I found this Article quite informative and the Fact Mr. Stan Scislowski
    took the time to write this in memory of his friend, I was quite moved.


     
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  5. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    You were just pulling our collective legs, right?
     
  6. Billymac

    Billymac Member

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    Hello, This is an interesting thread , There was a discussion a few months ago about Verriers Ridge. As I only live just over an hour away, I went to the ridge and took a few photos. If you would like to see them, just say and I will post them again. Bill
     
  7. Spaniard

    Spaniard New Member

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    No I want you to get less stress and PM's on Me LOL and since through all the Madness I've stayed out of the Cooler :D.

    No I wasn't When I say something haven't I kept My Word, not like others. I just wanted to clean up this thread and respond to Comments as you see I've Edited and Removed Thread 3 and Two Out of Respect for my Regiment. This is the only thread I've participated in.

    Or to Cut and Paste My Threads as information that I found interesting.

    But now I need the Next Post Badly so please do understand his Info to me is very Valuable.
     
  8. Spaniard

    Spaniard New Member

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    Bonjour Mr. Bill I'm the OP of this thread go right ahead post all the Pics you want, I also have of the Ridge.

    1 hour away from Verrières Ridge you say, I need info if you can help?

    I'm mainly on this Site Now Operation Spring Who's To Blame for the Horrific Carnage? - Canada at War Forums

    You can post your pictures on that thread also would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you for your time and interest, Bonne journées as Vous Monsieur Bill.
     
  9. Billymac

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    Merci Billymac, it's nice to have members who register to share with others. You are a very welcome member on this thread.
     
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  12. Spaniard

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    Near the Top Crest of Verrières Ridge looking into May-sur-Orne, The new Chuch is where the Old one Stood. Thats the Assembly of the Calgerian's they never got to, The Ridge is Not very High compared to the Way many have described it, as you can see by the Picture.



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    Fichier:MaysurOrne enneigé.jpg - Wikipédia
     
  13. Spaniard

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    Thank you for posting the Pictures Mr Bill, as on the other site I just saw.



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    I think the info provided is not correct they held the Village for 7 days????

    In my time we had Photocopies of these Accounts, due to a flood I lost allot of this info Aka Primary Source. Let me look some papers I was able to save, I'll be back :D


    Sources;

    CMHQ Report No. 105, 10.
    CMHQ Report No. 105, 61.
    CMHQ Report No. 162
    Stacey,Victory Campaign, 93-192.

    This information can also be found in
    Professor Terry Copp's Book
    Fields of Fire: The Canadians in Normandy.




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  14. macrusk

    macrusk Proud Daughter of a Canadian WWII Veteran

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    Great photos, Billymac. I shall have to add those I took in May to this thread or in the gallery with a link here. Perhaps you will be able to clarify a question or two I have regarding the names.
     
  15. Billymac

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    Hello Michelle, Sorry for the delay in replying, If I can help, please ask. I was at Lambert Sur Dives and Montormel. You may be interested in seeing a couple of photos.
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    The first photo is the Memorial on the hill overlooking Lambert Sur Dives.
    The second photo is The plaque to commemerate Major Currie. This is where he was awarded the VC.
    Regards Bill.
     

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  16. John B

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    View attachment 13772 Here is a photo of my father, posing with a friend who was obviously in the Canadian Navy, taken shortly after the end of the war. You can just see the cap badge for the Essex Scottish Regiment on his tam, and the wound stripe on the left sleeve of his tunic.

    View attachment 13773 My father was a private in the Essex Scottish Regiment who was wounded on the 21st of July, 1944 at the Battle of Verierres Ridge by German mortar fire. (Even when dad was in his early seventies, I could still see the scar tissue from the shrapnel wound to his left shoulder.)

    In talking about that day, which was quite obviously one of the most momentous of his life, my father always focused on a few key details: The Germans advanced with several Tiger tanks followed closely by panzergrenadiers....Although it seems quite improbable to me, my father always talked about being able to see the helmets on the heads of the Germans as they advanced in close support with their tanks. He also always talked about the Typhoon fighters that arrived, unleashing their rockets on the German armour and "saving" the Canadians on the ground.

    Like many soldiers -or perhaps almost all- who lived through such experiences, my father exhibited signs of emotional scarring as well. He always talked about seeing the bloated bodies of German soldiers, rotting in the sun outside Caen, and about the indescribably horrible smell. (I'm told he had trouble eating Sunday dinner at his mom's house for a year or more after the war, because he couldn't get the smell of the battlefield out of his mind.) I can also attest, that many years after the war had ended, he would sometimes have nightmares about his experience on that hot July day in 1944.

    I have always wanted to read a detailed history of the Essex Scottish Regiment. Does such a history exist?

    I've read bits and pieces in books about the regiment, often discussing their role in the Dieppe Raid, or in the fighting outside Caen.

    I also was somewhat displeased to note that in the recent film made about the massacre of the Black Watch at Verierres Ridge, the Essex Scottish were only mentioned in passing...and with a phrase that suggested their contribution to the battle mainly consisted of breaking and running.

    I also remember the film's narrator making the claim that the Black Watch had suffered the highest number of battlefield casualties of any Canadian regiment in the Second World War. (According to my knowledge, this is incorrect. -It was the Essex Scottish Regiment who suffered the highest number of battlefield casualties.)

    I am looking for photos of the Essex Scottish from the period of the Battle of Verierres Ridge and have been able to find nothing. Can anyone here steer me in the direction of some archival materials that I am unaware of?
     

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  17. macrusk

    macrusk Proud Daughter of a Canadian WWII Veteran

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    My Dad was also a Veteran, an artillery gunner with the Canadian 3LAA and he too spoke in his later years about the stench and the German dead at Caen and the Falaise Gap. I have posted about him in various threads. Do read Sapper's thread in which he describe Falaise as a British Sapper.

    Some posts about the Essex Scottish and Verrieres Ridge, and some other links regarding the Essex Scottish:

    WWII: Verrieres Ridge - Canada at War

    Verrieres Ridge

    Windsor's Scottish Heritage - People - The Essex-Scottish Regiment: World War II

    "The Massacre at Verrieres Ridge" - Page 3 - World War 2 Talk

    Verrieres ridge: the bloodiest day | Esprit de Corps | Find Articles at BNET

    http://www.wlu.ca/lcmsds/cmh/back i...2/Copp - Fifth Brigade at Verrieres Ridge.pdf

    Essex Scottish - Veterans Affairs Canada

    Essex Scottish

    essex scottish - Google Search Images of the Essex Scottish

    Videos of the Essex Scottish essex scottish - Google Search

    The Essex Scottish Regiment - Canada at War

    Veterans Memories - Our Veterans

    Essex Scottish Soldiers - Canadian Heritage Gallery

    the raid on Dieppe, France - The Essex and Kent Scottish Regiment History - Essex & Kent Scottish Regiment

    www.canadiansoldiers.com

    http://www.wlu.ca/lcmsds/cmh/back i...nt and the Foret de la Londe, August 1944.pdf

    History Of The Essex and Kent Scottish Regiment

    a concise history - The Essex and Kent Scottish Regiment History - Essex & Kent Scottish Regiment

    DHH - Volume 3: Combat Arms Regiments, Part 2: Infantry Regiments - THE ESSEX AND KENT SCOTTISH

    http://www.rangersatdieppe.com/uploads/cmhq108.pdf

    The long march of the Essex Scottish regiment, part 3: with a greater chance of escape, members of the Essex Scottish endure the hardships of German work camps | Esprit de Corps | Find Articles at BNET

    Duty Nobly Done: The Official History of the Essex and Kent Scottish Regiment.(Book review) - Ontario History | HighBeam Research

    http://www.ekscot.org/REGIMENTAL-MANUAL_2011.pdf

    link to Library and Archives where I did a search for photographic material on the Essex Scottish Archives Search Result - Search - Library and Archives Canada

    Good Luck with your research and welcome to the Forum. Look for books by Canadian Veterans and other Canadian Authors about NW Europe and you will learn a lot about your Dad's unit and the experience of the other Canadian servicemen. Let me know if you would like me to provide you with some names of writers or their books. Also have a look in the information or genealogy section at the thread with other website links as I have many there for researching Canada's WWII history.
     
  18. John B

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    Thank you so much, Michelle, for your response and for providing that extensive list of links dealing with the Essex Scottish.

    By the way, I love your quotation from Oliver Goldsmith, and very much confer with the sentiment.

    -John
     
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    Hello Macrusk, my husband and I will be going to the !00th Anniversary of Vimy in April. I am from Canada and I have been doing research on my Uncle who was in the 1st Battalion Black Watch, RHR of Canada. I have his letters he wrote home to his family and I am now tracing his steps when he landed in France from July 5th onward. I got some pictures of Verrieres Ridge from this forum and other sites but I am wondering if you have anything different. Could you please post them. Thank you - Mariyn
     

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