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Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Discussion in 'Alternate History' started by projectgreywolf, Jul 5, 2011.

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  1. Gebirgsjaeger

    Gebirgsjaeger Ace

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    Thats a good question, belasar. He must´ve had Parkinson and in those times they haven´t had any medics to slow it down.
     
  2. Fury 1991

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  3. Gebirgsjaeger

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    Dang, for our funny laws the video isn´t to see!
     
  4. poi

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    My father has asked for this for Xmas. I'll be reading it before he gets it.

    I'm not expecting to be persuaded, especially given that the author has refused to deal with the specific failings. But I'm prepared to suspend disbelief whilst I read it.
     
  5. Gebirgsjaeger

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    Hi phylo ( hope i can call you so);

    This would be a great evidence! But now you have to wait for the next one who say that this could be the jawbone of a Adolfs double! And if the double lost his half face the real Adolf won´t have a problem with this...in theory.
     
  6. phylo_roadking

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    And IIRC the book ALSO says that perfect copies of Hitler's dental work were prepared! :D:p But unless they held some poor fecker down, extracted his teeth and bent/damaged/repaired the rest to ressemble Hitler's perfectly...

    Remember, the bridgework the Russians have was what was taken out of a corpses mouth still on the teeth/jawbone it was made for when the Soviets showed it to Kaethe Heusemann in may 1945. Hitler had very distinctive dentalwork because of his periodontal disease; Hugo Blaschke had had to make a very distinctive cut into the bone to root out infection, the bridgework was altered to suit (see Mark Benecke's work)...

    In other words - as well as the bridgework matching the teeth on the jawbone, the teeth/jawbone matched the equally distinctive, tailored bridgework ;)
     
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    It is if you let 'authors' like Williams get away with peddling rubbish like 'Grey Wolf'. They have not the slightest interest in 'history'. They do know that the 'best' way to sell their trashy tabloid writings is to select a 'controversial' topic and then write a sensationalist exposé. Been done so many times - here's a good example: Wilcox, Robert K. (1985). Japan's Secret War: Japan's Race Against Time to Build Its Own Atomic Bomb. William Morrow & Company. Wilcox lives in California by the way. All credit to phylo_roadking on this board and elsewhere for confronting, harrying and harassing Williams into oblivion..
     
  8. lwd

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    Since he lived for some time after the dental work one couldn't just manufacture it on the spot either as the healing would be characteristic of how long ago the work was done.
     
  9. mtobler

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    Hi Folks,

    I was baffled that Gerrard Williams would go as far to claim that Hitler fathered two daughters with Eva Braun.
    Eva Braun had
    Mayer-Rokitansky Syndrome, meaning she had no uterus.


     
  10. lwd

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    If you haven't already PLS consider posting this info on Amazon.
     
  11. LRusso216

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    This information is only in one book. It seems to be an unsourced one. I would look around before I posted it on Amazon. That said, I hope this thread dies a long-deserved death.
     
  12. TD-Tommy776

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    I had considered inquiring whether or not this dead horse was sufficiently beaten, but I'm not too fond of the "smilie" option. :deadhorse:
     
  13. phylo_roadking

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    Just thought I'd bring everyone up to speed with the latest gurt big holes that have been knocked in Grey Wolf! :D

    One of their major planks is that Hitler was attended until he died by a veteran of the Graf Spee, one Heinrich Bethe, who had been living in Argentina since the GS was scuttled and the crew were interned....

    Unfortunately for the authors, who claim to have spent a lot of time wandering around South America - they never thought to check on Bethe! It transpires that this worthy, along with a few others, managed to leave Argentina in 1940....and he made his way back to Germany! Doubly unfortunately, it seems that Bethe was reassigned on his return...

    ...and died on the Bismarck in May 1941! :eek:

    Next up...there's been some work done on the claim that a Peter Baumgart flew Hitler and his entourage out of Germany; "Baumgart's" account, sworn before a Polish court a few years later, says that he first flew them to Magdeburg. Unfortunately for the authors, and as we already know, Magdeburg was in American hands by the 19th of April, ten days before the supposed trip...

    Williams then claimed (on Amazon) that this didn't matter, Baumgart could have landed anywhere near to Magdeburg...

    Once again, this claim too is unfortunate for the authors...because the war diary of "Old Hickory", the U.S. 30th Div., reveals that by the 19th all of Lower Saxony up to the Elbe was overrun AND largely pacified; the entire area was unsafe for Hitler! The assault on Magdeburg had started some 5-6 days earlier and taken at least two days to complete....but Magdeburg's airfield had been badly damaged in the preparatory USAAF bombardments, and the next nearest - captured totally intact - by then had several thousand released KZ prisoners laagered there by the Americans!

    At the very least - and as I noted way back near the start of the thread - the authors have appeared to make one of THE classic mistakes of intelligence/data analysis; they seem only to have been looking for evidence that agrees with their hypothesis...they haven't done much work at all to check the veracity of what they have!

    Courtesy of these additional finds, and put together with the work I did on the demise of U-518 and FalkeEins on the possibility of ANY departure from Berlin by Ju52...there are now some REALLY irreconcilable holes in this account.
     
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    "Williams then claimed (on Amazon) that this didn't matter, Baumgart could have landed anywhere near to Magdeburg...

    Once again, this claim too is unfortunate for the authors...because the war diary of "Old Hickory", the U.S. 30th Div., reveals that by the 19th all of Lower Saxony up to the Elbe was overrun AND largely pacified; the entire area was unsafe for Hitler! "

    I can't imagine they would fly the Fuhrer anywhere unless they knew the destination airfield was secure and would remain so until he could depart on the next leg of his journey.

    Bethe deserves credit for making his way home and reporting for duty when he could have sat out the war in safety and relative comfort, sad how it worked out for him.
     
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    Oh dear...

    :D

    Yes, all sides have their littler heroes in war, no matter how ignoble the cause.
     
  16. thecanadianfool

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    Ladies and Gentlemen, you may have misread what the poster has written, it is a fictional book, like Fatherland is.
     
  17. TD-Tommy776

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    Now, don't go poking the hornets nest, TCF. You may get stung a few times. ;)
     
  18. phylo_roadking

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    The only answer that needs is of course that given the LARGE number of press interviews Williams has given, many of them preserved for posteriority (talking out his 'arris!) ....in all of them HE doesn't regard it as, and isn't peddling it as, fiction! ;)
     
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    Well, I tried to warn him. :D
     
  20. Kai-Petri

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    Actually you can see the document what truly happened , "Iron sky" in the movie theaters soon.... ;)
     
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