Working Class Brits...

As in other countries,the British political parties have been infiltrated by the crime lobby :=lawyers,judges,the Guardian,the Independant,the Church of England,the PC supporters,..the result is that the weakest of society (not the liberals) are the victims,and that they are that desperate that they are willing to vote for the BNP.
I have read today that government will look for the causes of the crimes .That's confirming my direst suspicions:they will look for excuses .

 

Come on guys, I realize this is a touchy subject, but lets try to be civil with each other. Remember the cooler is only so big, or so I have been told having never been there.

 

Yes, i apologise to all.

Moving on...

 

Accepted...Aussies do dat do dont de. As to brown stuff you couldnt possibly insult me in any shape or form..Experts have tried and failed gunga din.

 

It is high time I responded in a meaningful manner.

When, exactly, does a critic of the entire western world's police force ever find a voice inside their own ranks?

Why do the police in all of these countries have the same problem, (lack of respect and co-operation from the community at large)?

If this problem exists in many, if not all western countries, why is it not addressed by the "Force" going back to methods that have worked so well in the past?

Those that malign today's youth should take a good look at just what sort of hamfisted police practice has caused the youth of today to become so off the wall.

I say, if you as a serving police officer are insulted, then so be it. I see it as an insult to the taxpaying public that put these people in uniform and give them a secure job for life to NOT take a good long look at the result of current police practice. It aint' working, so fix it! Instead, we get one high ranking officer after another making more and more feeble excuses. We as the public don't want excuses from this section of the community, we want results.

I take nothing back until the police themselves, as a body corporate, start to actually accomplish that which their charter sets out for them to do. Anything else is excuse mongering of the lowest order. On a personal note, I have personally experienced two of our local pillars of the community lying their butts off in a court of law simply to obtain an assault comviction against yours truly. I represented my self and WON, but those lyers were not taken to task at all. The magistrate acted as if anyone in unform could not possibly commit perjury! What a joke! And so it goes with critics of modern policing. They are shut out and ignored, while the real solution to policing problems, (personal contact with the community at large), goes begging. In days gone by, you could trust a man in uniform to do the right thing only for it's own sake. These days, not the case. Don't blame the public for this disgraceful state of affairs. They are not the ones that operate the machinery.

Only the police can change and clean up their act, but when you are ALWAYS right, criticism just rolls off your back like water on the proverbial duck.

 

So, how about a meaningful response from some of these insulted pillars of the community? Or do we get the 'close ranks and all stick to the same story" spiel again....You know what they say...."Cops stick together...."

If those two policeman that I mentioned above were willing to commit perjury over little ol' me, what would they be willing to do or say if the situation involved something really serious? Furthermore, if millions of dollars were at stake, could we trust them? Not likely.....

 

So let me get this straight - your entire rant against police officers around the world is based on your alleged experience of two officers in Australia.

So that would be a bit like me saying that all Aussies are loud mouthed arrogant racist beer swilling oafs. Fortunately I know that isn't true.

 

No, it's based on the lack of results for the police practice in all western countries. My example was simply a local thing, taken as an example of just what uniformed officers of the law actually think and do. The lack of results for policing on a global scale are plain for all to see. Everywhere, crime rates are on the upward.....never in the opposite direction. And yet, this shuld not be so, for modern policing is meant to have all the gadgets that money can provide, and the best training and equipment.....so where are the positive results of all this expertise?

I have far more respect for politicians as a group. We know what to expect from them. In Mexico, politicians are referred to as "air-conditioners", for the simple reason that they make lots of noise for very little in the way of results. But this is what we have come to expect from a group of people whose task it is to reassure the community and to prevent meaningful change at all costs....to retain the status quo, if you will.

But....with policing, it is their job to not only maintain order, but to DECRASE the incidents of criminal activity. I most certainly do not see this happening anywhere. So, when a previously cosmopolitan city like London has sunk to this level of public nuisance, it's time to look at the people who are meant to prevent this from happening, and to be critical. Sorry if that cuts you to the bone. Not my fault that the uniforms are not performing to their stated objectives, in London or anywhere else for that matter. Show me even one Western city where crime is gradually dissappearing....just one.

I'll be waiting a long time for that....an eternity, even. So, you've got to ask yourself at this point, why it is that police practice fails in so many different regions of the globe that are supoosedly stable and prosperous. If the Police themselves had any capacity for self-criticism, we may well get a straight answer. Until then, you have to rely on anecdotal evidence about individuals to provide an overall picture of the FAILURE that is modern policing.

When you and I fail at something, we get sacked.

When the police fail, it's business as usual.

 

erm.....a great many Aussies ARE 'arrogant, racist, beer swilling oafs'. You can even class that group as a majority.

 

Hmmm.... nice slang, scouse.....looking it up, new to this Yank. Ok I get it now. John Lennon should have wrote, "Working Class Scousers Are so hard to find." It is a nice dialect. Interesting, learned a little about "Woolybacks" too. Ha.

 

Theres no working class scoucers anymore...We all left. Woolybacks are ex working class scoucers...The original woolybacks got ejected to Chester. Simple lar..Ders a scuffer upder jowler.Gerraaaarivit...grab iz tyres and leggit

 

In democracy......education is the equalizer and keeps the anarchist elements low in number and non-influential in commanding behavior of others. Sadly if we are tending towards Plutocracy on both sides of the pond.......education becomes too expensive to be in the reach of most people (sound familiar?) and the anarchists grow in numbers and influence. Do you realize how costly education is becoming as our "private" institutions have climbed completely out of reach of the common people? I still am hoping for democracy but I am scaired of elements I see growing in both our lands.

 

Have you ever been a police officer or is your expertise confined to dribbling away on the internet.

 

Why become part of the problem? An outside critic can achieve far more than any internal.

I'm a meat worker, mate. I actually get results for a living, or I don't have a job.

A cop are you Richie? Tough luck. Suck it up, princess, when the public make comments that are not to your liking.

Police officers exist to serve the community, not the other way around.

I certainly don't see you trying to explain anything, but this is what we expect from modern police.....all talk and no action.

 

[/QUOTE]Simple lar..Ders a scuffer upder jowler.Gerraaaarivit...grab iz tyres and leggit

 

Simple quotation....Reads...I say my good man...Look over there....there is a policeman up that alleyway....Surely not? Jack his car up, leave the wheels on some bricks and let us depart hence forthwith.

 

On a side note, I read an interesting article in the Toronto Star recently, discussing the fact that in areas badly damaged by rioters, a couple of bookstores remained absolutely pristine -no property damage, no theft of any kind. The collumnist didn't quite know what to make of this, suggesting that perhaps rioters are not big readers, that youth culture in general is lurching towards illiteracy, etc. She also offered the possibility that books have minimal resale value compared to athletic shoes and high tech gadgets...and that, for that reason, looters might not be inclined to pilfer Oliver Twist.

In reading this thread I was somewhat dumbfounded to read somebody post something along the lines that "there is no working class" anymore.

I beg to differ. Class divisions, based on income, education, access to services, and life opportunities are growing all the time.

I realize that in some parts of the world, "class" is a dirty word.

I am reminded of American novelist John Steinbeck's famous assertion that America is the only country in the world that lacks a working class. Its poor regard themselves as "embarrassed millionaires" who jealously defend the priviledges of the ruling class on the delusional grounds that, next week, next month, or next year, they too will join the ranks of the wealthy.

As far as I'm concerned, Steinbeck's observation goes a long way in explaining why the U.S. underclass would support tax cuts for the super-rich, or defend the rights of corporations to downsize their jobs and move lines of production to Mexico and Malaysia. (The old Horatio Alger myth of the American Dream is still incredibly potent in "the land of the free and the home of the brave.")

I completely understand why the wealthiest 2% would support the current Republican ideology -greed and self-interest are not difficult to comprehend- but what leaves me scratching my head is the significant support that the right still garners from people who look like they don't know where their next meal is coming from.

Are these poor people really so ignorant that they don't know that the gap between rich and poor is wider in the U.S. than it is in any other county in the G20? Or that virtually every other nation in the western industrial world has some sort of government-funded, single-payer healthcare system?

Frankly, it mystifies me. Just as it mystifies me to read a comment on this thread suggesting that there are no social classes.

 

Poor people don't vote.