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Hitler's 'lovechild' - new "evidence"

Discussion in 'Prelude to War & Poland 1939' started by GRW, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Not sure I would want to prove it either!
    "They share the same piercing gaze, defined jawline and stern mouth set off with a clipped moustache.

    But the Frenchman who believed he was the secret son of Adolf Hitler was never able to prove his family line before he died. He wasn’t even sure he wanted to.
    Now new information has emerged that adds weight to Jean-Marie Loret’s claim to have been Hitler’s son from a brief relationship with a French woman during the First World War.
    Mr Loret, who was born in March, 1918, grew up knowing nothing about his father, apart from the fact that he was German.
    It was only in the late 1950s, just before her death, that his mother, Charlotte Lobjoie, finally told him the story that was to haunt him for the rest of his life. At 16, she told him, she had a brief affair with Hitler while he was a young soldier fighting in northern France. Her extraordinary story has divided historians for years.
    The new evidence, published in Le Point magazine in Paris, will reignite the debate which began when the claims were first made public in the 1970s by respected German historian, Werner Maser.
    Yesterday Mr Loret’s Paris lawyer, Francois Gibault, confirmed he had given Le Point magazine photographs and documents to support the claims. Mr Gibault also revealed how Mr Loret’s mother had described the affair to her son."
    Did Hitler father a lovechild? New claims emerge that Fuhrer had a son with Frenchwoman | Mail Online
     
  2. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Saddle Tramp

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    Having the same blood type as Hitler isn't much of a place to put your faith. I don't know how this could or couldn't be possible, but Adolf was less than a "ladies man' from his pre-teens to his demise. This fellow can make his declarations, and the bottom line is "who really cares"? One of those "and so what?" positions.
     
  3. Marmat

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    ... was his sister named Anastasia?
     
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    belasar Court Jester

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    Today's technology could prove the matter, but of course it almost surely never happen.
     
  5. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Saddle Tramp

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    I think not, since Adolf was one of the two children out of six to survive their youth in the Alois and Klara union, only the mitochondrial DNA would count. Paula is long gone as to finding a link, Klara might be an available "donor" (highly weird) as she and Alois are buried side-by-each, and Adolf himself is pretty much "toast" as per samples as well. That comes back into the "who really cares" area. And who would want to pay for the dang thing to prove it one way or the other? Who cares, or who should care?
     
  6. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    cough....the old fashioned forces medical would confirm it...trousers down two thre...bend..two three...cough...

    And you don't even get a date at the end of it...
     
  7. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Saddle Tramp

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    That is all well and good, unless his first "War wound badge" was for what was at the time called "groin" injury, and he lost a testicle then. He had already been in the Bavarian Regiment for months when that happened, and you don't have to "look to the side" and cough to find a hernia at that time. Just being "funny" I know, but even a man with one testicle can impregnate any number of females, and their testosterone level never decreases.

    Having "one" makes no difference as opposed to having two. Other than for "fun" and jest short poems.
     
  8. Clementine

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    Wow. This guy's mom sure must have hated him. What a way to burden your child for life. Psssst, by the way, Hitler was your dad......

    You know, just like the photo the other day of Hitler in lederhosen, the words "Hitler" and "lovechild" in the same sentence just makes me shudder.

    Charlie Chaplin bore a resemblance to him in The Great Dictator, as do a mulitude of people when they try to imitate him and have a similar mustache, so I don't know that convinces me of much. But who knows? Doesn't seem like such a stretch to me, happened and happens all of the time. The only thing that surprises me is that anyone would try to prove it instead of trying with all of their might to keep even the hint it might be true quiet. Why not just let this unfortunate question rest for everyone's sake?
     
  9. DocCasualty

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    Pretty sure they can isolate DNA from dried bone now and I believe the Russians still have that skull fragment purported to be Hitler's. Agreed that this is all academic at this point and any value is doubtful.

    The bigger question is if you were saddled with this piece of "family history", why would you tell anybody?
     
  10. GrandsonofAMarine

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    The gentlemen in question died in 1985 so it is academic. I do know that Patrick Hitler's children have remained anonymous.
     
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    brndirt1 Saddle Tramp

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    Patrick Hitler was a very "tenuous" second-hand relation to Adolf, since he was the son of Alois Jr, and Alosis Sr.'s second wife, a different line from Adolf's mother Klara the third wife of Alois.

    Patrick was the son of a half-brother and an Irish woman whom Alois Jr. abandoned in Ireland and never divorced while he (Alois Jr.) married another woman in Germany. I don't believe the children of Patrick Hitler ever sired any children themselves, I seem to remember them taking an oath to let the "last of the Hitler line" die with them.
     
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    The Hitler Skull Fragment was proved two years ago to be that of a 20-40 year old woman, by DNA analysis - but because of the bullet hole it can't be Eva Braun's either. IIRC it was picked up some considerable time later when the peasantly paranoid Stalin ordered another check on whether the evidence and conclusions in his Hitler file was correct...so after the "liberation" of Berlin, there could have been any number of people died in or in the vicinity of the Chancellery garden!

    But the Russians DO still have the two bits of Hitler's jawbone taken from the recovered body at the first SMERSH autopsy, although the jawbone fragments weren't made available to Nick Bellantoni for DNA swabbing.
     
  13. Martin Bull

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    STOP PRESS : Expert declares Daily Mail Totally Insane.

    London : Monday.

    Mr Martin Bull, one of the World's leading experts, today declared the Daily Mail insane when it comes to WWII.
    Speaking from his home, where he considers himself a leading expert on all sorts of things, he said ; -

    'It's true. New evidence recently posted at the highly-regarded ( in expert circles ) WWII Forums reveals for the first time that the Daily Mail is, at the very least, totally inexpert - in fact, they're all nuts......'
     
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  14. Clementine

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    And that's good enough for me.
     
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    Amen.
     
  16. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    But not for his wife it seems....Martin has to sign out every time he wants to visit a museum...Gets his egg sandwiches and coffee and tapped on head with a prim...see you later hun ....give em hell....

    Talking of sandwiches...the circle of life...first lambs of season born today...first hot lamb sandwich from last years lambs...curry tonight....Disney wont make that into a movie with the circle of life playing in background.
     
  17. efestos

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    As I read that guy joined the resistance (well) ... Which one is the worst?

    [video=youtube;h6sj89xgnl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6sj89xgnl4[/video]

    It isn´t so serious but the neither is the controversy above.
     
  18. Skipper

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    :DThat would be quite a blow to the "myth".

    Uncle Addie shagging a non German woman , from the heriditary enemy that is!

    ps: a paparazzi caught him on the toilet :D
    [​IMG]
     
  19. Tamino

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    That wouldn't be the first time Schickelgruber family had affair with "irredeemably decadent elements". DNA analysis indicates he had African, Berber and Jewish ingredients.
     
  20. Skipper

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    so , he was human after all?
     

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