North Pole Movement

I think that you may have stumbled upon a new app Kodiak. Alcoholics Anonymous Gps System! Drunks always manage to get home.....eventually. Think of the fun arguing with lamp posts, having a snooze in the
gutter/ field/ road, finding a new best pal who shares his homemade hooch, singing very loudly in a residential street at 2am, deciding that you are so sexy that everyone needs to see you naked then get arrested and put in a cell overnight. Free breakfast next morning - then you get home. No need for a compass nor maps! genius

 

Yes, yes... I freely share my genius with the world purely out of love for my fellow man and without hope of any monetary gain. When General Motors turned down my automobile/zeppelin/submarine hybrid I began to realize that the technocrats are unable to appreciate great ideas because they are locked into a narrow world view limited by gravity, physics, engineering and other scientific principles that I reject. So now, I just spam the Internet with these ideas and if somebody can make use of them it's fine by me.

 

The thing is, you get maps as of when you purchase the device. The city grows fast, next thing you know- ur driving through a lake (that has been filled and is now a ring road). The unit has no idea where u are, and is zero help in finding a way out. Stopping and asking for direction is not an option, usually. Try to look at where have to go by using maps, but can't read map, listen to a squawking hen, and deal with zooming traffic. Need to find a safe place to pull over and gather thoughts, wipe brow. ..Worked service for 30 yrs, know how to navigate...Cities that use names for streets and aves should be shot. Stick to numbered streets and avenues. duh. grid.

 

"No change can be verified" Really?!

"In March, scientists reported that the pace of melting on parts of Greenland's ice has tripled in the last decade, suggesting that "the sleeping giant is awakening ... and given likely continued Arctic warming, that it's not going back to bed," according to glaciologist Jason Box."

"But it's already contributing to sea level rise. Over the past 20 years, the melting of the Greenland ice sheet has been responsible for roughly a sixth of the annual rise in global sea levels, adding about 0.5 of the 3.2 millimeters by which the world's oceans rise each year."

http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/greenland-climate-change-23-feet-sea-level-rise-20140501

Similar scientific verifications can be found plenty. The total melting of the Greenland ice cap can still take thousands of years, but the effects are already clearly seeable.

Although weather can vary a lot from one year to the other the long trends can be observed by the distribution of flora and fauna. This can clearly be seen e.g. in Finland, where southern species are spreading northwards year by year.

 

This thread's getting shut down soon.

 

Hate it when that happens. A lock beside a thread always attracts looks. May as well say " naked ladies" beside it. Because porn is solitary and does not create thought or ideas .. lo ..Let me rephrase that- locked threads are like porn because there is no discussion.

If only we could get an inch...of admission that maybe a few models/forecasts might have been a little gloomy... Will give an inch- Lord knows the weather has been acting a might testy in some parts lately.

See how pleasant that was.

 

Give'em an inch, they take a foot, give'em a foot and they take a mile....

 

But what do they take if that foot is a Boot to the Head?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kGUW6M7W0

 

I am 60 yrs old now, and I have lived by the sea for 56 of them, and I can tell you that there is no change in sea level whatsoever, no matter what those global warming scammers tell you.
On the contrary, we are overdue for another ice age. It should be here any day now, so you better get prepared. You better find that bear fur cap and coat before its too late....LOL!

http://iceagenow.info/2012/02/ice-age-2014/

 

I like "boot to the head" better.

 

The difference in sea level is too small to be observed by an untrained eye, since the level keeps changing all the time anyway. However the small difference in average sea level makes a huge difference, which any serious weather scientist will confirm.

Unless you do not follow any news nor the nature around you should have noticed the difference in the numbers and severity of various storms and other weather "abnormalities" also in the USA.

 

Back to Poppy's original post, imagine that, It has been known for at least all of my lifetime and more that there are two North Poles . True North, now consistently found on maps so they correlate and magnetic North. Magnetic North is a product of the magnetic field and it moves about a bit as the earth wobbles, probably has to do with Canadian-Russian alcohol consumption. seriously it does move, a fraction everyday and a bit more over time.

In my youth I worked for a highway construction company and later for the USGS ( US Geological Survey). I ran a transit long before GPS, and we had to periodically reset the transit's compass to true North , it pointed to magnetic North. Anyone in surveying or map making was aware of this long before climate change was considered a debate subject and it has no bearing on climate.

I happen to believe that climate does change over extended periods of time, the definition of climate as opposed to weather, example "Ice Age" The real question is does climate change because of the activity of mankind. It is a scientific, political, economic, almost religious issue and as such has many views. None of us will live long enough to firmly prove it one way or the other but I believe the acts of us, homo sapiens, probably exacerbate some noticeable changes, but do not necessarily cause them . The question is where we are causing enough change to harm our environment and if so can we change it....or not. There are some very polarized views on this and each side has some that quote the extremist all too often.

Several things I have personally noticed in my 3/4 century life. a decline in common sense and courtesy, do we no longer teach Thomas Paine ?, and a frequently spoken hatred or near hatred of those with differing opinions. Obviously this is not new, we have had wars for as long as we have existed. this nice forum exist because of disagreements.

What is new and a huge change is the ability through social media , forums, talk shows, tweets, multi-channel TV , etc, for everyone to say virtually anything they want , well informed or not. It might make rational, thoughtful decisions obsolete. Sadly it means we cannot discuss some subjects civilly or heaven forbid use humor.

 

Thank Karjala for participating, and Gaines . Well said.

The Da Da article seemed to make a lot more sense than current climate change theories (oops)- data, in that ice is receding in areas, but also increasing in others. Worry that climate change is used as a fear factor. In order to?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384221/california-governor-jerry-brown-climate-change-will-drive-millions-people-north-over

Also, isn't it certain the Earth will eventually be consumed by the Sun?

 

Well, nothing is 100 % certain until it actually happens, but only an irresponsible gambler would ignore the educated observations and conclusions made by the vast (and increasing) majority of the world's scientists.

Oddly it seems, that it's only the USA where there seems to be any significant climate denial left. It seems - at least to the outsiders - that this is sadly caused by national (petty) politics, where deep trenches prevent admitting anything, which for some reason have been labelled as part of the political agenda of "the others". In the rest of the world that is not the case (with this issue). No major political parties deny the climate change nor the significance of the human influence with it any more.

There's still supposed to be a few billion years left until that, so I wouldn't worry too much...

 

You must be joking; all the MMGW zealotry I see in the press daily comes from North America. Every piece of research that somehow "proves" it's man-made usually comes from a US institution. The comments sections under newspaper articles are full of bile from US posters (and a few useful idiots in the Antipodes as well) towards anyone they see fit to label a "climate change denier". The claims for consensus are always based on the fact that 97% of the 3147 answers to over 10,000 emails sent out by an American institution in a straw poll on MMGW came from North America. I'm still waiting on someone explaining exactly how that extrapolates to "97-per-cent-of-the-world's-scientists-agree-global-warming-is-man-made".
If anything, the rest of the world still seems to retain some sanity on the subject.

 

How is it our fault if we're the ones who don't suffer from the mass neurosis that has gripped the liberal world? Is the sky falling down over there?
And how many carbon credits did you buy from Algore?

 

Here's the one I meant-
http://probeinternational.org/library/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/012009_Doran_final1.pdf

And here's another-
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/15624-cooking-climate-consensus-data-97-of-scientists-affirm-agw-debunked

 

And "appealing to authority" is not proof. After all, there was a time when the majority of the scientists believed the earth was flat and the center of the universe. That didn't make it so.

 

And within my lifetime, scientists said that climate was controlled by solar fluctuations and they could prove that by showing warm and cold spells in prehistory tied perfectly to variations in solar output as measured by solar radiation isotopes in the same periods. It's funny how all of that science was discarded when it became apparent that trillions of dollars could be skimmed from the energy sector (consumers).