GB EU Refferendum June 2016 - Should the GB stay or exit the European Union? BRexit

Not all populists have dodgy blond hair .

 

Yeah, but I always win!

 

Until now I have always won! Are you starting an argument with me or what?

 

Do you mean this one below or that another chap with Russian first given name and Cockney accent?

 

Biased BS, proven by the third paragraph-
"Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, leader of the Scottish National Party (SNP), handled the EU referendum with distinction: she campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU and delivered a large majority in favour of it."
http://www.epc.eu/documents/uploads/pub_6836_scotland_and_the_european_union.pdf
It couldn't be any more blatantly biased if it tried!

And only 67% of the eligible Scottish electorate actually got off their backsides and voted.
"There were 3,987,112 people eligible to vote in Scotland at this election but only 67.2% did."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36614284

The Leave vote was only 650,000 votes behind remain, so how come all the childish crap about "a slim majority" doesn't seem to apply on MY side of the bloody border? Under Section 30 of the Edinburgh Agreement 1998, another referendum can only take place as the result of an Order in Council, and THAT needs the approval of Holyrood, Westminster AND the House of Lords.
The SNP have NO mandate to demand another referendum-
http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/brian-monteith-scots-remain-vote-doesn-t-justify-indyref-2-1-4163443

 

Clearly Sturgeon and her sycophantic supporters haven't read this-
"Scotland Act 1998
[SIZE=.8em]Foreign affairs [/SIZE]etc.
7(1) International relations, including relations with territories outside the United Kingdom, the [F3European Union](and their institutions) and other international organisations, regulation of international trade, and international development assistance and co-operation are reserved matters."
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/46/schedule/5

Any ongoing negotiations concerning the EU are none of Holyrood's business.

 

Do you want the full argument or the five minute one?!

 

Historian you can dismiss the EPC report if you wish, from what I've read it's an independently funded organisation. I think you're more rankled about the positive light shone on Ms. Sturgeon.

However, this Lords Select Committee report reflects most of the avenues available to Scotland as reported in May this year, pretty much reflected in the EPC paper. I doubt in anyway that a Lords report would be biased towards Scotland in shape or form, quite the opposite. If you want to be bored out of your mind tonight you need to scroll down the page to 'The process of withdrawing from the EU'. I've read it twice and I'm not reading it again just to prove you wrong. http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/news-parliament-2015/chairman-comment-on-referendum/

I'm also appalled only 67.2% turned out to vote in June. I've no idea why they didn't turn out in Scotland. Perhaps they were at home making love or something similar. But that was their democratic right not to show up too. When we have our 2nd Independence referendum I would quite like to see it being mandatory to vote, so there's no room to argue with the result. But there are people who would disapprove of that train of thought.

I have to remind you that SNP were democratically elected for a third term with a manifesto commitment in April during the Holyrood Elections, that if we were to be forced against our will to be pulled out of the EU the SNP would, on the electorates behalf, seek a 2nd referendum to see if we wished to remain part of UK.

If the Scots didn't agree with a mandate like that, then they should have turned out in April and voted for another party. But as it stands, the Scots put the SNP back in power democratically.

UDI is not an avenue anybody would wish, but we wouldn't be the first country to have resorted to this measure and I'm sure we wouldn't be the last.

I'm Scottish and I'm also a European and I wish it to remain that way. But like you I only have one vote. My right to choose whom I wish to represent me is equal to your right to vote for whom you wish to represent you. Sadly for you, your preferred party didn't make it to the top of the heap in April for the Scottish Parliament. Good night.

 

Mr Cleese stood up as a leaver on Twitter.
Which I suppose makes him a fascist too by some's lights , though his handling of the inevitable wailing responses was most able.

 

Let's make a three round argument to test endurance, if you don't contradict. :spar2:

 

We didn't turn out in Scotland because we're bored shitless listening to the SNP and their slavish media day and night. Pretty much the same excuse for the May elections, hence the 55.2% turnout, which is why the SNP didn't manage to get an overall majority. You forgot to mention that, strangely enough.
Don't know anybody who tanned their wrists because the Tories didn't win, but adults tend not to behave like that anyway.
There isn't going to be UDI, not unless you actually want a civil war. And strangely enough, it's only ex-pats like you who even mention it. You "love Scotland"...just not enough to actually live here like the rest of us all manage, while telling us how to run the place.

 

I don't now what slavish media you are addressing, as there is no media outlet I'm aware of that promotes the Scottish independence, quite the opposite. And what you fail to mention is that despite Labours best efforts of suppressing the SNP when the Scottish Parliament was opened and their introducing proportional representation versus the first past the post system, despite the odds they have won their third term in office. Labour believed wrongly that they would never loose their grip over the Scottish people.

How vulgar suggesting anybody would tan their wrists as you put.

I bide just up the road from you. I've never been an expat. I've never been fortunate enough to work and live abroad. Sadly I'm away to turn over our companies corporation tax to HMRC rather than to help build a new future for Scotland and the many cultures that reside with us. But for now that's just the way it is. I very much doubt there would ever be civil unrest in Scotland either. I'm saddened to hear that the Black Watch regiment is now under threat. But it is of no great surprise given how many soldiers as a whole are being paid off.

You have your political beliefs and I'm entitled to mine. We will just have to agree to disagree. But remember a woman's intuition is usually more accurate than a man's certainty

 

Was Kipling certain about that? If so, I have a feeling he was talking ballix.

 

I think that the debate has reached the 'flogging a dead horse' stage.

 

But. please, Toki – this jade is still in good shape so don’t kill the horse too soon.

Theresa May yesterday said that she does not intend to trigger Article 50 until a “UK approach” to Brexit has been agreed. There are rumors that Brexit may be the end of UK, not the end of EU. Even the unthinkable is now a possibility. Brexit has made a united Ireland thinkable.

 

Err.. there's no media outlet you're aware of that promotes independence?! Do you just not get out much?
"The National is a Scottish daily newspaper owned by Newsquest that began publication on 24 November 2014, and the first daily newspaper in Scotland to support Scottish independence. Launched as a response to calls from Newsquest's readership for a pro-independence paper in the wake of the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, it is a sister paper of The Herald and the Sunday Herald, and is edited by Callum Baird. Initially published on weekdays, a Saturday edition was added in May 2015. The National is printed in tabloid format, and is also available via online subscription."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_(Scotland)

So there's three for a start. Remember that "woman's intuition" comment?
Add to them The Edinburgh Evening News, which has done nothing but carry doom and gloom stories since Brexit, and is fast becoming renamed The Edinburgh Evening Nationalist.
Tell you what; we'll agree you have no idea what you're talking about, and I'll just humour you in future.

 

The FM of NI has already stated there won't be a referendum on Irish unity either.

 

https://gbhearts.eu/


https://www.facebook.com/gbheartseu/

 

There are 'rumours' about a lot of things; much completely unfounded.
It don't believe it will be the end of either. It'd take something else to break the EU up. http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2016/06/PM_2016.06.07_brexit-01.png

It was always thinkable. Even talked about. Seen as a legitimate aspiration for some living in NI - that's enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement, and approved via two referenda. But, just because some voted to Remain in EU in the referendum, does not mean they'd support any change in the status quo here. You see some people can be many-faceted in their beliefs.

It's a pragmatic approach for many now applying for British- Irish dual nationality, should they think they might encounter any complications. Many people, including my husband, for instance live on one side of the border and work on the other and there's nothing new at all in that. (Nor is two-way cross border shopping which takes advantage of currency fluctuations.) Again, it does not necessarily convert to a desire to be part of a United Ireland... you only have to see who's recommending it as a possible solution.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/unionist-ian-paisley-jr-mp-constituents-apply-republic-of-ireland-eire-passports-a7102761.html


and... Theresa Villiers who campaigned for Brexit has just been replaced by a Remainer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36804433

Ireland and the UK have both already agreed that their bi-lateral agreement The Common Travel Area which pre-exists anything the EU concocted, and which has been ratified at least a couple of times since, will be something they both wish to keep. In other words, there is little doubt that's under any threat.
http://www.factcheckni.org/facts/would-brexit-lead-to-northern-ireland-land-border-checks/

 

First this...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10/no-single-market-access-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says

Now this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/germany-states-british-access-to-eu-single-market-reasonable-bre/