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  1. RaconteurNick

    RaconteurNick New Member

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    Exactly what the idea behind this project is -- to show that the people involved were ordinary people like you and me, and that it's not just "a bunch of crazy people." Not to justify anything that was done, but to illustrate that it wasn't some extenuating circumstance that could never happen again.
     
  2. KJ Jr

    KJ Jr Well-Known Member

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    Your right Bronk. Crikey, you could make an exhaustive list of party members that weren't occultists. This is the exact reason we study history.
     
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    GunSlinger86 Well-Known Member

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    Those Churchill quotes I did source. I will get the mandrake source, which was also on National Geographic and the History Channel specials. His last name was Hanussen.
     
  4. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    If you are basing your opinions on Hanussen, you should be aware that the opinion of him is poor. There is an old thread on this forum about him. See here http://www.ww2f.com/topic/7713-erik-jan-hanussenhitlers-jewish-clairvoyant/
    Google him, and most sites refer to him as a charlatan. The Nazis were a political party with some occult believers, though clearly they were a distinct minority.
     
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    GunSlinger86 Well-Known Member

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    Modern scholars, including those featured on a History Channel special "the Nazi Gospels" say that the Nazis weren't a political party as we know them today, but more a religious cult. I recommend that special for anyone who wants to really get an understanding of Nazism.
     
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    GunSlinger86 Well-Known Member

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    The really believed in Atlantis. The "Aryans" were a made-up race of giants from the Attula/Atlantis. The only Aryans that ever existed were Indo-Iranians, which is where the word derived from. Himmler's main advisor, high up on the SS payroll and SS ladder, and a person taken very seriously on Occult, German history, Pagan-German historical subjects was Karl Maria Villegut, who was put in an asylum. a confirmed schizophrenic, multi-personality, etc.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Again, only some did. Most Nazis were politicians, and many were out to enrich themselves. I tend to take material on the History Channel with a large grain of salt.
     
  8. KJ Jr

    KJ Jr Well-Known Member

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    You need to expand your resource base. I appreciate your passion on the matter, but there are more reputable historians and sources that you can utilize that will give you a profound view of National Socialism.
     
  9. RaconteurNick

    RaconteurNick New Member

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    Directing this more towards the original topic -- what are important elements of the time period that you feel must be covered in any kind of media about it that isn't an action story? So in our case, with a serious story where you're immersed in different paths and storylines, what kind of things do you expect to see along the way?
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    A few things come immediately to mind:
    1) Hitler's assumption of power in 1933
    2) The Wannsee Conference in 1942
    3) Germany's Declaration of War against the US in 1941
    4) Anschluss with Austria
    5) Acquisition of the Sudetenland, then all of Czechoslovakia
    6) Setting up cnocentration camps then death camps

    I can think of others, but these came to me quickly.
     
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    I don't know how detailed you plan on being, but after Hitler became chancellor and subsequently the Fuhrer, here are some benchmarks that come to mind.

    - Enabling Act 1933
    - The Rohm Putsch in 1934 (Night of Long Knives)
    - The Nuremberg Laws in 1935
    - Kristallnacht in 1938. (Night of Broken Glass)
     
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    Isn't using the term "scholars" and the venue "History Channel" something of a contradiction?
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I think you might be right.
     
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    Professors and Doctors from Universities in both the US and England who talk about these subjects on documentaries are just as reputable as any book written by a victor or "acceptable scholar."
     
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    Watch the newest show "Inside Secret Societies" that just debuted on the American Heroes channel. Its about the Nazi Occult societies that were the basis for the beliefs of the top brass of the party and their followers. It was a lot more than a "few."
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Care to name some? Don't depend on TV as your source. The shows and channels you cite are suspect, at best.
     
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    The occult beliefs were not the basis for Nazi views. The 25 point program offers insight into their foundation.

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/nsdappro.asp

    Within these points, the party program groundwork is based.
     
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    George Patton Canadian Refugee

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    Please note that professors and other academics are a dime a dozen. A Ph.D or tenured position does not mean that the person is an expert. There are, of course, plently of highly intelligent Ph.Ds, but also plenty of not-so-smart ones. Indeed, you have to question how some of them even completed a Bachelor's degree. At the same time, there are plenty of highly intelligent people with no graduate school - or even post-secondary school - experience.

    I'm not going to get involved with this topic at hand, but felt the need to say this since it seems that Ph.Ds and the like are unjustly placed on "pedestals" and assumed to be infallible. That's all.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. And at times it is tough to determine and research the credentials effectively.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Good comments Alan. There are many Ph.Ds that have no real world experience. You can see this kind of argument in courtrooms constantly.
     

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