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M1918 Trench Knife

Discussion in 'Small Arms and Edged Weapons' started by KodiakBeer, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. the_diego

    the_diego Active Member

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    oh, hand to hand combat in WWI was epic. it was the last major war in which maces were manufactured and issued to soldiers (in addition to other weapons like brass knuckles.) it seems firearms back then have not fully adapted to close quarter fighting. and not all soldiers could get their hands on 1911's or the new thompson mg, or even the m97 shotgun.

    trench weapons during the great war.
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    Interesting collection. It probably should have more shovels and entrenching tools since those were often the weapon of choice, or the weapon closest to hand.

    It's surprising to me that a simple blowback sub-machine gun didn't arise during the war. The technology was certainly there.
     
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    don't laugh but this is the trench knife design i fancy. edge-up when held normal, edge-down when gripped reverse. it says from the site "H. G. Long & co. Hand crafted."

    http://i.imgur.com/O2sMsos.jpg
     
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    That configuration actually makes a hell of a lot of sense. You are able to attack with the knuckles, and if you do manage to get the business end of the knife somewhere ugly, then your opponent will have to withdraw against the pull of the blade to escape.
     
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    Different, but I can't think of a reason not to go that way. Which country used this knife?

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    That smacks of Chinese 'replica' doesn't it?
    It certainly points towards a 'correct' dagger grip but I hope the back edge is also sharpened. Hard to tell from the picture.


    I don't know how I feel about all these half measures though:
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    This has a certain something too.
    http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/35887
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    Though this brings a little more style to the 'combination' approach in my view:
    https://royalarmouries.org/line-of-kings/line-of-kings-objects/single-object/335
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    Not a lot's truly new when it comes to inventive approaches to messing people up, is it...
     

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    Any of those would give you a chance to stab, whack, shoot, your opponent while he laughs.
     
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    I completely agree, but then I feel broadly the same about most all combination blades. Other than a bayonet on a rifle they've never had much of a reputation beyond 'interesting'.
    I certainly wouldn't choose any knife that locks the fingers in the way the 1918's style of knuckles do.
    The average nerk is a liability to himself with a blade; clubs, butts & grenades seem to have been the more logical choice among trench raiders.

    A mate of a mate cast a load of copies of this oft-seen German issue variant.
    It requires no skill and I think would likely be handier than any sharp instrument in close melee against the un-armoured:
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    (Forgive the ribbon. It was a 40th present from said mate to my missus...)
     

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    The missus can use that to keep you in line.

    I think you're right about knives and their use in the hands of most men. You know, a stab is rarely debilitating until blood loss weakens the victim, and that may take a long time. There's a good video of an old British Commando floating around where he explains the proper use of a Fairbairn-Sykes knife. His lesson is that you can't just stab or slash the guy, you have to pick your spot, drive it deep with the point then 'rip' laterally through organs, blood vessels, etc, to put somebody down. He's probably eighty years old in that vid, but he's a chilling old pirate that you wouldn't want to mess with.
     
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    This guy...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDGHKyB3T_U&list=PLdQ46UnEAYBR6LAEJGjUWoM1uYnnfvyhs
     
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    I know it well.
    One of those old blokes you faintly hope some tit provokes into action, just to prove it's never all about yoof.
    I certainly wouldn't...
     
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    I'm out of salutes, but yeah, exactly that. I picture some punk on the tube getting an umbrella shoved up his nether regions.
     
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    Watched not long ago some footage of an old bloke being hassled in the street by two full grown men, fully a foot taller and much thicker than this little old bloke holding his shopping...the two blokes were trying to rob him...you can see old mate cringing away as the bigger of the two blokes threatens him...he talks some more and then obviously says something over the line and the old bloke gives him a right hook...the big bloke staggers back as his mate moves in, a fast right hook drops his mate out cold...the big guy moves back in, ready to teach this old bloke a lesson...old mate blocks the big right and throws a huge right of his own...and drops the big bloke out cold...he then swaggers around these two telling them both what he thinks of them...and then picks up his shopping and walks off...best vid ive seen this year.
     
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    You should watch the "amber lamp" vid of the ex vietnam vet taking out the young dude on a bus..."call the amberlamp".
     
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    The soldiers of WW2 actually had a different standard knife the M3. The M1918 was issued and used in world war 1 but got carried into ww2 by many US soldiers (don't know the whole story) like the BAR did and the Browning water cooled .30cal mg
     
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