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Local Council Elections are not a General Election and do not share the same cycle. Though Councillors serve a 4 year term the elections are staggered so you never get an all-in/all-out result. All you are doing is showing how tricky it is for a foreigner to try and teach another how his local democracy works. I would never ever dream of lecturing a Pole on his system and I suggest you follow my example. It might help preserve what little credibility you have left.

The count I gave you is an accurate picture of UKIP influence. UKIP are losing members and The Green party are bigger in the UK

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Let me try and get this through to you. Farage was UKIP and UKIP was Farage. He was/is a one-man-band. Without him UKIP are sunk and without UKIP Farage is denied the attention he craves.

 

Though a factual error it is one of his 'least wrong' efforts. Frankly he is so wrong that it is difficult to know where to start. He appears to know a UK that bears no relation to the place where I live. I knew that some folks in the USA believe this 'UK is a Caliphate' and other such rubbish but given so many of his compatriots are currently in the UK you think he would be a bit better informed.
Maybe it just proves the brightest and best of Polish youth did in fact leave and those left behind are struggling to cope with the effects of the loss?

 

The thing is though it matters not if you are liberal or conservative, each believes they live in a very specific country of which the other does not. That each is delusional and a mortal threat to the existence of the other. Since we already are self segregating ourselves to a ever increasing degree, it is unlikely to get better anytime soon.

 

This Liberal/Conservative thing does not play well in the UK. In fact the only people who use it as a platform appear to be UKIP. They bang on about 'Liberal Elite' but that to them means anyone who does not agree with them. You could be to the right of Hitler but if you are in any position of power then you are the enemy or 'Liberal Elite'
You do not have this great polarisation you see elsewhere. True you have 2 main parties Labour and Conservative but Tony Blair's 'Labour' would be hard to tell from from Cameron's 'Conservatives' if you removed the rosettes. We also have a middle Party. The Liberals. Their fortunes wax and wane and at present they are suffering for their alliance with the Conservatives under Cameron but they will be back.
In general the UK has no tradition of absolute imposition of the policy of one party to the total exclusion of the opposition. Thatcher would be one example but the haste with which her succesors tried to distance themselves from her shows what an aberration she was. In general compromise is always possible and many a manifesto promise has been watered down by the practicalities of Office.
Farage is the only UK politician I know who talks about forming a Party that will stick to its 'principles' and force through its policy over all attempts to soften the impact and he is not been able to get anywhere near power after 20 years of trying to get elected.

 

So he quitted, plans to create another party but still he is UKIP. Interesting...

Let's see opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election, it seems without him the sunk party still hasn't met its iceberg...






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And yet arguably the single most politically important vote in the UK, Brexit, comes down to a liberal vs conservative view of Britain's future. The US also has other political parties, but our system works against them gaining positions in Congress or the Executive. They do have modest success in getting office at the local and state level, but rarely can they matriculate to higher or national office. Pure independents can and do make it to Congress, though they are few and usually come out of the New England region of the country.

There has long been the belief here in the US that when push came to shove there existed little real difference between the Republican and Democratic parties, they largely seem to agree on most of the major issues, or at least there was block's within each who could be relied upon to jump sides over this issue or the other. More than a decade ago this began to change with the rise of the 'Culture wars' within the political parties that led first to the rise of the Tea Party in the right and the more recent rise of the 'Progressive' movement within the left.

You may deride the UKIP but they, like the Tea Party and the Progressive movement, has taken significant control of the political debate by pushing the extreme edges of each party to their farthest positions. Each demanding a purist approach that largely precludes working together. The US may be further down this road, but Britain and Europe as a whole seem poised to follow like baby ducks following their mama.

 

That is what the new leader of UKIP thought and he put his credibility on the line by assuming a seat where 70% voted Brexit would be an easy victory for him. Turns out he was dead wrong and he lost. It is a near certainty that he is going to lose his job over this disaster for UKIP

 

At least in Italy we see the "traditional" parties of the left and right allied against new "movements" that promise to get rid of the party system, so it's a very different scenario- Renzi (who says to be left) and Berlusconi (who says to be right) allied themselves to form a coalition government, so it's not a radicalization of traditional politics we see. Judging from the recent referendum the voters didn't seem to appreciate that alliance much. France looks the same, the feeling is that traditional politics is responsible for the mess and has no solution so voters are looking for "something else", nobody knows if the "new" will be able to find solutions, but more and more people are convinced the "old" has none and is not even looking for them.

 

You have a distorted view of UKIP. You error is to believe Farage and his inflated opinion of himself. He seems to have fooled Americans into believing he has power and influence but he has stood 7 times for Parliament and never manage to get elected once.

UKIP is the most corrupt party in Europe

2 MEPs jailed for Fraud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6545334/Disgraced-ex-Ukip-MEP-Tom-Wise-jailed-for-two-years-for-expenses-fraud.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/13/former-ukip-mep-ashley-mote-sentenced-five-years-prison-expenses-fraud



UKIP MEP tries to claim she has EU 'Diplomatic Immunity from prosecution in the UK.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jane-collins-rotherham-ukip-mep-european-parliament-slander-libel-legal-immunity-high-court-a7034281.html


UKIP MEP who fell out with Farage and was prosecuted for Expenses Fraud. It was revealed in court the person who did all the paperwork for her expenses was a spy planted by Nigel Farage and he had hacked her computer on the orders of Farage.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/07/05/nikki-sinclaire-fraud-trial-former-ukip-mep-questions-why-she-would-have-started-making-allegedly-dodgy-expenses-claims/


UKIP MEPs start a fist-fight and knock each other out.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/718631/mike-hookem-who-is-ukip-mep-steven-woolfe-fight-punch


UKIP cavemen went into meltdown when a woman was elected Leader.
Dianne James was elected Leader after Farage resigned and was threatened and abused so much that fearful for her personal safety she quit after 18 days and resigned from UKIP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3957812/Former-Ukip-leader-Diane-James-quits-party-s-time-on.html

 

I'm curious, where do they say she was abused or threaten? Even the words can't be found there.

She said she resigned because she didn't "have sufficient authority, nor the full support", thus proving she didn't have the skills the be the leader.

Or are we supposed to shed a tear because of her bad luck - of a female MEP collecting every month €8,020 for doing mostly nothing.

And that is corruption? No, this is corruption. And over 100 years of it.

 

I live in the UK. I can visit sites where UKIP members talk openly. I can read what politicians say in public and I can also read what they say in private. Dianne James was elected leader of UKIP and from day one the white middle-aged male element did everything it could to undermine and humiliate her. After 18 days she had enough. Truth is the Farage 'Old Guard' were never ever going to let a woman be leader. Not only did she resign as leader she resigned from UKIP . If you check the history of UKIP MEPs you will find that jailing and in-fighting means over half of them have quit UKIP.
I would be careful picking a single MEP who 'does nothing' because if you check the voting an attendance figures you will find UKIP as a party are by far the laziest party.
I love it when some thinks they can become an expert on a country 1000 miles away via Google. You even had the cheek to earlier post a long homily to Farage but neglected to give the link which would have shown that you were using his own internet page about himself. Full of lies and distortion and nothing more than the mans inflated opinion of himself!

If you want to know how repulsive Farage is google Farage-James Kiss and see how the poor woman recoiled in horror when he tried to kiss her. It was a big thing at the time and much was made of the fact that clearly she could not stand the man even touching her never mind going for the kiss.

This clip is funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQqRy3VseG8




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With respect you may be the confused one on the difference between political power and that of political office. How else do you explain a referendum that neither ruling party wanted, or expected to lose, came to pass? In the modern era with both mass and non-traditional media winning and holding office in itself is no longer mandatory to push a political agenda.

TOS pointed out that it took both political mainstreams in Italy working together to undercut the political insurgencies. He does however point out that the political alliance is not sitting all that well with with voters as a whole, signaling that support for the coalition may bleed away to the insurgent parties. This is at odds with the American approach which has tried to harness the energy of these insurgencies in order to promote their core agenda's, though with questionable results.

In 2016 the Republicans nominated and elected a man who is not really a conservative in the traditional sense. A man who today is nearly as much at odds with the institutional Republican Party as he is with the opposition Democratic Party. In 2016 the Democratic Party nearly nominated and elected a man, Bernie Sanders, who isn't a traditional Democrat either. Yet his power still remains as the election for the Chair of the DNC (Democratic National Committee) came down to fight for a strong Progressive and a traditional Democrat. Actually it was a last minute substitution of a institutional Democrat that plausibly resembled a Progressive enough to win out.

This was the same strategy the Republicans used and eventually lost by to harness the Tea Party. Time will tell if the Progressive wing of the Democratic party get frustrated enough to do what Trump voters did for him.

We have no way to adequately guess how elections in France and Germany may go, especially since in both the Brexit and US Presidential elections the conventional wisdom at the opening of the polls was rudely overturned by the actual results.

 

That is wrong. A good chunk of the Conservative Party has been campaigning to leave for well over 2 decades and this issue is what destroyed John Major in the 1990s. Google John Major and 'Bastards' and you will have your eyes opened. Jeremy Corbyn also wanted to leave and he came in for a lot of criticism for being lukewarm during the vote. There has always been a sizeable block of EU sceptics and it cut right across party lines. Membership of the EU was a problem even for Thatcher so no it was never an establishment v the little people thing. That is just the UKIP attempt to import USA divisions into the UK. Farage believes he is the UK Trump figure so he is inventing a problem that he hopes he can exploit and come along and 'fix'. He could not get elected in 20 years in UKIP so I have no worries he can do it with whatever new name he invents for Nigel Farage Saviour ltd. His profile in the USA makes him appear a more important figure than he actually is. The vote for leave was in no way overwhelming and indeed it is a cast iron certainty that Scotland will soon announce they are going to hold a new Independence referendum that they think they can win. Anyone who claims the pro-EU population of Scotland are the 'Political Elite has never visited the country!
It is a fact that with the vote out of the way the whole reason for UKIP has vanished. The Conservatives are now the Brexit party and UKIP are losing ground. Membership is tanking and poll figures are down to c 12%.
I might add that UKIP are not exactly the Party of the Right that you know of old. Farage was an out-and-out Racist who once told the founder of UKIP 'the nig-nogs are never going to voter for us' and so 2 elections ago UKIP did a complete about-turn on all its policies and now has adopted many Labour issues as its own. UKIP have said its aim is to replace Labour as the party of the working man and you can only do that by ditching the (for example) crazy 'privatise the NHS' plan it used to promote. In effect UKIP ditched principles in its lust for power and just over a week ago this dream came crashing to the ground when UKIP Leader Paul Nuttall failed to win in a seat where 70% of the voters voted Leave.
I can only repeat do not take anything Farage says at face value. He is a consummate self-promoter and his ego took a big hit when, after Trump won, Farage openly and without any shame tried to force May to make him Ambassador To The USA. He was mocked in the Newspapers for his arrogance. He became an even bigger figure of fun.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePNOav8dNvs

 

Reading Trumps remarks at CNN about how complicated healthcare is, I was wondering if the military still use CHAMPUS? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/bernie-sanders-obamacare-trump/index.html

 

It's called TRICARE now.

Glad to see that buffoon Trump is being put on the spot for this, as he and his followers seem to be the only ones who do not grasp how complicated building a successful national health care system can be.

 

Well, in other words for some boring reasons they elected a beta female to a post requiring an alfa male/female. And the beta female failed. This isn't a horrible, earth shattering tragedy it's political manipulation as usual.

Maybe Farage is a consummate self-promoter (like Churchill), a irresponsible person (like Churchill) or grafter (like Churchill), but he isn't Satan's spawn and the rest aren't angels. He's most likely different, if you aren't mainstream you have to be different.

 

Again you display in a rather obvious maner your complete lack of understanding of what it means to prove something. Simply put her statement in and of itself in no way proves that she lacks "the skills" to be a leader much less "the leader". Please take a bit more time and consider both what you are trying to say and what you actually typed.

 

UKIP are riven with in-fighting. The party is tearing itself apart as the rival factions fight for 'power'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39114851

The man who bankrolls UKIP is threatening to expel the only UKIP MP to get elected because he did not recommend Farage for a seat in the House Of lords.
Farage, the so called 'man-of-the-people' and claimed to be someone standing up to the political 'Elite' is desperate to get a title and become ......one of the political elite.
Farage may have fooled the USA into believing he is a man of influence and power but in reality he is only concerned with forcing himself into the heart of the establishment and becoming a Lord.

UKIP donor Arron Banks has suggested he could stand against the party's only MP Douglas Carswell at the next election.
The two have been at loggerheads over UKIP's future direction and strategy.
Mr Banks has called for the Clacton MP and a "Tory cabal" to be expelled - with ex-leader Nigel Farage also saying it was time for Mr Carswell "to go".
Mr Carswell, who defected from the Tories to UKIP in 2014 and won the Essex seat at the 2015 election, said Mr Banks's plans were "news to him".
The BBC understands party leader Paul Nuttall has asked his chairman Paul Oakden to meet Mr Carswell on Tuesday to "discuss the situation" amid growing questions about his future in the party.
Mr Carswell and Mr Banks have been engaged in a long-running feud. The latest development comes amid claims that Mr Carswell resisted attempts by senior UKIP figures to secure a knighthood for former leader Nigel Farage.
The Daily Telegraph reported that in an email the MP suggested Mr Farage should settle instead for an OBE for "services to headline writers".
On Monday, the MP, who has denied trying to block a knighthood for Mr Farage, alluded to the row when he tweeted "knight night".
Following UKIP leader Paul Nuttall's failure to win the Stoke-on-Trent Central by-election last week, Mr Banks has said the party is at a "crossroads" and has offered to become party chairman in order to bring about a "total rebrand".
He has said Mr Farage, who stepped down last year and has since spent much of his time in the United States, should be "re-engaged".
Mr Banks has described Mr Carswell, whose relationship with Mr Farage is also strained, as a "terrible individual who has done his best to destroy UKIP".
Mr Banks' office said he intended to stand in Clacton, the Essex seat which Mr Carswell won with a 3,437 majority in 2015. It is not clear whether he will seek the UKIP nomination himself or will stand as an independent.
Mr Farage has claimed the party's only MP has been "totally disconnected" from UKIP since February 2015 and it was time for him to sever his links entirely.

"From the date of the result of the general election, he has actively been working against UKIP," Mr Farage wrote about Mr Carswell in the Daily Telegraph.
"I think there is little future for UKIP with him staying inside this party. The time for him to go is now," he added.
Mr Farage told the BBC: "If Paul [Nuttall] is constantly contradicted and dragged in the wrong direction by our one MP, that's not where he should be."
MEP Bill Etheridge has also said Mr Carswell should lose the party whip as he was "not compatible with what UKIP is trying to achieve". He told Radio 5 live that Mr Carswell should "look elsewhere" for his political future.
He told Radio 4's World at One the situation was "not a party at war it is one man... who has gone out of his way to subvert the party's leadership".
"I'm not suggesting that Douglas isn't a good MP he just doesn't have the UKIP principles at heart," Mr Etheridge said.
But UKIP Welsh Assembly member Mark Reckless said Mr Carswell should stay, saying "we have got to learn from him" as he won a Parliamentary election.
Mr Carswell, who has urged the party to project a more positive image and tone down its rhetoric on immigration, has warmer relations with Mr Nuttall and several of his key advisers.

Current UKIP chairman, Paul Oakden, said after the Stoke result that it might be years before his party can pick up another seat via a by-election.
Mr Banks criticised Mr Nuttall's tactics in the Stoke campaign, saying he wrongly adopted a "red UKIP" strategy, copying Labour policies on the NHS.
The businessman has said UKIP needs to become more professional if it is to make further headway, saying that as chairman he would oversee a new membership drive, and install a new team of "trained professional agents" to focus on target seats.
Unless this happened, he has suggested he could turn his back on the party.

 

We don't fly to the moon here, no need for ironclad logic in every sentence.
But you might try if you wish to prove she is leadership material (she isn't), has leadership experience (she doesn't), or is a poor woman - figuratively or literally (she is a politician and one-percenter).

 

We'll see, the fun has just started. This will be a long and eventful four years