Is this Russian "super heavy tank" an invention of modelling brand PST or did it actually exist? Does anyone have any information about it? It looks more or less like an elongated KV-1 with a huge turret and gun. I do not even know what gun it has. Anyone?
I think it was proposed design, I'll have a look at my files this weekend - but you could try battlefield.ru (IIRC), they go into "paper projects" etc.
look at: http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?opt ... 50&lang=en quote: "KV-220 - a heavy breakthrough tank of new generation, weight 63 tons, armed with a 85 mm gun. Experimental, but took part in battles." Aglooka
Thanks guys! Oli: I hope you can turn up something from your file, I find these Russian experimental heavies very interesting. Mostly because they don't seem as utterly unfeasible as their older work.
It sems to be some confusion about the nomenclature there was no KV 220 , there was however experimental designs ,called objects2.. , the tank got it's official naming once it passed its acceptance test by the army inspectorate , so properly it was object 220 kozin the KV designer was in deep trouble , no front line general wanted the KV and the new design for the universal tank , a new KV , had been rejected by the army as a waste of time and resourses , there was talk of discontinuing the production line to the advantage of the new T34/85 the body of the KV would be used for self propelled guns Stalin was very upset ,there was death looming for failed designers guess what , a young engineer was listened too and after an extended period of rather confused redesign and upgrade , the JS2 was born. It's funny what physical treats of extreme prejudice can achieve . If you think it iwas a bit drastic , keep in mind than thousands russians boys were wasted without support tanks , while the designers were home as confortable and as safe as you could be in wartime russia . Jeaguer
http://battlefield.ru/index.php?option= ... 50&lang=en certainly seems to think there was a KV-220 Drawings and a bit of history included on that page.
Thanks both. Can Battlefield.ru be trusted on facts like these? Sometimes I get the idea that they are basically the Russian equivalent of Achtungpanzer. Those sketches, accurate or not, are quite interesting though. If anyone was thinking the E-100 and Maus were typically German...
very interesting ,on the intelligence side ,during 1940 and the full bloom of the german/soviet non agression pact amongst other thing the german had to show the russian side all their tank production , when told the PZKW4 was the heaviest tank in the army , the russians hit the roof and accused the germans of bare face lying , they could not believe that was THE heavy tank ! On the other side the discovery of "some 100t tanks " during barbarossa freaked out the germans and pushed them to insist on a heavy tank production .
jeaguer do you have a source that has information about those 100t tanks? because I am interested in learning about them.
nothing very specific , several unrelated quote from witnesses present during conversations with hitler , a reference on the army group south in ukraine in 41 , I though at the time it must have been some of those double turreted land battleship 1930 style .
No, those did not weigh anything near 100 tons. Actually they weighed about half that. Beasts like the SMK come closer but they still do not qualify, so I assume the "100 ton tanks" statement is an exaggeration or a report of some design encountered in a factory somewhere.
I know those werent 100t they were medium tanks, I wanted to know wether or not that\\ose were the 1s hese refering to
there weren't any type mentionned , in 41 the german did seems a little bit hysterical about the russian tanks.
Kv-200? The Russians built a new model of the Kv-1. It mounted about a 150mm gun,but had an enourmous turret,a giant box which was really high.I believe this tank was called a KV-2.But this mounstrous turret was so heavy,that if the tank was on sloped ground the turret wouldn't rotate,the gun was too heavy to swing.Also of course the giant turret was a fine target.
Luckily for the crews, the KV-2 had such thick armour that it was impervious to most German AT guns in 1941. In a celebrated incident, a single KV-2 held up the 6th Panzer Division for several days... See this topic for more info: http://www.fun-online.sk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1175
Just found this in the Osprey book on KV-1 and II Osprey New Vanguard No. 17 KV-1 & 2 Heavy Tanks 1939-1945, Steven J Zaloga, Jim Kinnear & Peter Sarson Basically a Soviet General, Kulik, got hold of erroneous intelligence saying that the Germans had AFVs with armour up to 100mm and convinced others that something better than the then-current 76.2mm gun would be needed. The proposals for putting the F-39 107mm (actually 106.7mm, but who's counting?) into AFVs never really came to anything although I have vague memories of reading something about the non-tank-optimised ZIS version of the gun being put into a number of ad hoc armoured vehicles.
