Worst President

1.George Bush
2.Bill Clinton
3.George Bush Senior
4.Ronald Reagan
George Bush Is by Far the worst in my Opinion He is a moron you cant even call him stupid because he is worse than stupid.Bill Clinton is very Smart you can tell by the way he talks .Bush on the other hand nvm I wont go into it :lol:

 

Wow, constructive post, you've got me convinced... :roll:

 

Simon nows not the Time to get me angry.Thos presidents are not in order they are just presidents that I am using for this Topic(only 1 in there is not a retard) Ok Simon here I go . First off Bush He is like I said a moron ,He is not smart at all he says things in front of people that he shouldnt even say .Tax cuts Bad idea We are well Billions of Dollars In Debt I dont think that we really do need taxcuts :roll: Bush put us into War for no reason I dont see weapons of Mass Destruction .The Religious people like him and want to get any nut that they can that is religious in Power,Not good . Bush knew about Katrina 1 hour ahead .But instead he desided to call the Head of Fima and talk about something else . Look at the way he talks when he debates and gives info to Americans .He Studders ,therefore he is making the crap up thats he says .Like we are gonna have new Fuel sources like Switchgrass and Hydrogen .BS did you forget we had a war going on and that costs a bit of $ . The Reason he is president is because the people that voted for him dont have accsess to Info so they have to ask their friends from the info aka rednecks in the South states .there you have it

 

Excuse me? If you don't like critical comments don't post on a discussion group.

 

I don't like papa Bush, but i respect the old bugger. He was flying torpedo bombers (TBF's) during the war. He was probably involved in more south american military cues (even before he became boss of the CIA) than all the other US presidents together, but he was a good strategist. On the more personal note, i dislike him for not recognising my country's independance and giving clear signals to Belgrade generals that US would not intervene if they decided to deal with us.

Bush the little on the other hand is probably largest single treath to world peace since Stalin. I belive there is still a reward offered for proof that he flew with national guard after he moved to another state. He single handedly managed to ruin US treasury and he managed to push US in the war for oil.

Probably they are watching FOX news. News channel that is fair and balanced as Moskovskaya Pravda in 1938. Pesonal experiance: any country declaring in it's name that is democratic or poeples republic is 100% dictatorship, same with media if they have to advertise themselfs to be fair and balanced, than you know what that means.

 

Baron wrote:

What exactly do we have here? A cheap, derogatory generalization of a region's people? Do you think that maybe Bush was elected and then re-elected because the opposition sucked? The Democratic party in 2004 was a joke, nothing more. Between Al Sharp, Mary Cary, Larry Flint, and John "Flip-Flopping" Kerry, I don't think we could have picked a better president than the one who already served four years. I don't like George Bush, but if we, the opposition, allow the only effective means to change things (i.e. the Democratic Party) to become a source of political humor, then it is our fault -not a bunch of rednecks.

Yes, and it is a shame he did not personally travel to New Orleans in that one hour and single-handedly turn the hurricane back.

Anyways, my least favorite US president is James Buchanan. It is his leadership that allowed tensions between the North and South to escalate into a 5 year war. Grant is a close runner-up, for the sole fact that he really didn't do anything during his tenure, that is besides drinking himself to death.

As I have shed more and more of my ignorance in politics, I have come to realize that labeling a president as "the worst" or the "the best" is superficial and unbefitting. All leaders recieve too much negativity for when things go wrong, just as they are given too much gratitude for when things are good. Sure, Katrina may have been a disaster, but it was not Bush who brought the hurricane to New Orleans. All in all, the rescue operations went very well, but of course we'll never hear that on the news (I have yet to hear one success story coming from the disaster, like a family who made it thanks to government aid or whatever, as it is always negative).

Presidents can be judged on the quality of their decisions and the actions they take, but it is not he alone who can be attributed for either disaster or success. All governments are an intergral system combining many branches, fields, and specialties. The President is the most prominent figure of the US government, but he is not its most vital part and he does not make all decisions. If Bush is to be blamed for Katrina, then so is Congress. The same goes for Iraq. That is enough of my rant.

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but arent those presidents also (coincidentally)listed in exact chronological order of the last 5 presidents?

From what I hear George Bush has kept America quite safe since Sept 2001... Not every president could do that

 

I believe Baron just wants to talk smack about them and hopes others will come in on his side.

Dude, erase the hate. There is a great big world out there full of good people and wonderful things and you are missing it.

 

What planet are you from?

 

As surprising as it may sound, I found an interesting way to learn about being the President. Try reading Executive Orders, by Tom Clancy. Sure, it's fiction, and it may not be 110% accurate. But reading it seems to bring a slightly less muddied idea of what the President has to deal with on a daily basis. Read it, then tell me if YOU can do a better job!

I should say that even though the book stands on itself, Debt of Honor is actually the first half of the story, and it makes for better reading if you read them back-to-back.

 

Yeah only 2500+ dead Americans since September 12, 2001. Almost as many as died on September 11. George the Lesser is doing a great job of keeping America safe.

 

Although I disagree with the war in Iraq, it was not un-reasonable at the time to suspect that Iraq posed a threat to America, perhaps more by sympathising with Al Quaeda than by having WMD's. Can you honestly say more Americans would not die if Iraq was not invaded?, i.e. perhaps another terrorist attack? And dont say that such a possibility is unlikely; S11 was both unexpected and unlikely...

George Bush has kept America safe, not Iraq

 

I actually think getting rid of Saddam was a good thing for the world, WMD or not he was a bad, dangerous man. However getting rid of him was not worth what it cost the US, in terms of friends, prestige, money, or lives. The current situation in Iraq was predicitable once the US found itself isolated. There is no way of knowing if there would have been another successful terrorist attack on the US if Iraq had not been invaded, but it is also impossible to say it would have happened. I'm not sure there is a link between the US in Iraq and the lack of a successful terrorist attack on US soil. Having a large number of American targets available in Iraq makes it unecessary for the militant Muslims to attack the US directly.

 

It isnt Dubya's fault that Extremists want to kill Americans, though it seems easy enough to blame him...

 

What about Jimmy Carter?

 

This topic is quite near to getting locked, apparently started for the purpose of attacking Bush. The only reason it is still open is that we've had some better discussion since, and it could develop into a good discussion of US Presidents past. However, one more inflammatory post and it gets locked.

Baron -

And just the general point of this topic...

Please behave - you have been warned.

 

What about Jimmy Carter?
Comparing to some other presidents (Reagan, Dubya) he was a real genious.

Acctualy it's papa Bushe's fault. He was the one who supported them ( as chief of the CIA, as vice president and as president). It seems that some of the posters don't know much about history. Nobody wakes one day and decides that from now on he will hate America and it's allies. There is a long history behind each and any of this things.

When US administration changes world does not see it as new America and forgeting mistakes made by previous administrations. It's still USA and as in any other country each administration has to bear consequences of actions of previous administrations. US history of supporting any right wing/fashist dictator, military cue and death squad is long. It was interesting and amusing watching Fox news channel when one of the guests mentioned that. I belive it was Hannessy that denied it and gave bright example of US bringing democraty in Latin America by removing gen. Noriega (pres. papa Bush) in Panama, but of course conveniantly forgot to mention who put him in power in the first place (chief of CIA papa Bush). At the same time he was praising Contras in Nicaragua fighting for democraty but also forgot to mention that most of the massacers of civilians in that conflict were perpetuated by them (not to mention terrorist activities like bolowing up civilians and minig of foreign ships).

Example Iran:
Iran (not to mention Iraq or Venezuela or most Mid east and latin American countrys) is an excellent example. It seems that historical memory of most Americans concernig Iran goes back only up to US ambassy hostage crisis and that US supported cue against Mossadegg (in the 1950's under Ike) and subsequent involvment of US in Iran's internal afffairs and support for the shah Reza Pahlavi is conveniantly forgotten (all other presidents including Jimmy Carter).
Dubya squandered few excellent chances to repair US renome in the world and especcialy in Iran. For example Iran was quite helpfull in war against the Taliban and Al quaida in Afganistan (allowing use of their airspace for supply and also for combat missions, supplying most of the equipment to northern alliance for the last 10 years including large assistance during operations in last few years). Dubya thanked them with "axis of evil".
On the other hand Pakistan who supprted Taliban (materially and with personell -advisors, fighters) in their fight for power in Afganistan and subsequent civil war and even during start of US operations in Afganistan (where did the last transport planes from Bagram land ?) is now the best friend and ally in fight against terrorism. Yea right. :roll:

 

Actually, I don't think you can "blame" Bush I for Militant Muslims wanting to kill Westeners (especially, but not exclusively, Americans).
I think you can blame the militant extremists themselves. There is nop real rational reason for their hatred of the west other than theya re small frightened men with theior own twisted view of history and want to see a return of what they percieve to have been the days of power and glory of the Islamic Empire.

Most European nations have had a hand at one time or another in the politics of the middle east and offending Islam (see Britain in Iran and Iraq for example). It's not ALL the Americans fault.

 

lets see .....class president at yale(he didnt even run)...ivy league grad ,jet fighter pilot, gov. twice of texas,twice pres of usa...if bush is a stupid moron...what does that make all of us...house plants?.....not the worlds best public speaker...oh well ,no ones perfect... u.s. grant was prolly one of the worst presidents,,,sold all to highest bidder...a damm good general though...go figure.

 

As i wrote, it is culmination of 60 years of US policies in the area. After "fall" of the british empire US took meedling in Mid east affairs to themselves. Contrary to what you belive Brits are more or less higly regarded i the area. At least locals aknowleage that they know what they are doing. And their policies are more or less consistent (with notable exception of Egypt in 1956).

It is for last 50years (since 1956 war).
Do you know why Ike was warning about military industry complex? Becouse they managed to provoke a nice little war on his watch that is still influencing mid east politics to this day (hint: check Dulles brothers role in reasons for the Israel-Egyptian war).

No, just FOX news watchers.