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  1. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    Questions I ask for information purposes...

    What purpose is MOAB designed for?

    How does it compare to the "Grand Slam" and it's family (including the 44,000 lb monster)? I guess it is better at its intended role - 50+ years of R&D later, and using the resources of the USA...
     
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    i thought about it, the USA spent millions developing "smart" weapons and bombs in the 1980's-1990's. And now it spent millions building a "dumb" bomb. isn't a little funny?

    alsohow is the USA going to use this weapon against guys in exploding rental cars?
     
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    The MOAB weapon is based upon the same principle as the BLU-82 “Daisy Cutter”, except that it is larger and has a guidance system. The weapon is expected to produce a tremendous explosion that would be effective against hard-target entrances, soft-to-medium surface targets, and for anti-personnel purposes. Because of the size of the explosion, it is also effective at LZ clearance and mine and beach obstacle clearance. Injury or death to persons will be primarily caused by blast or fragmentation. It is expected that the weapon will have a substantial psychological effect on those who witness its use. The massive weapon provides a capability to perform psychological operations, attack large area targets, or hold at-risk threats hidden within tunnels or caves.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org
     
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    Following deployment from the aircraft via drogue parachute, the MOAB weapon is guided approximately 3 nautical miles through a GPS system (with inertial gyros for pitch and roll control), JDAM actuators, and is stabilized by series of fixed wings and grid fins. The weapon, which uses the aircraft’s GPS prior to launch

    http://www.globalsecurity.org

    Maybe you should have thought about it a little more
     
  5. JCalhoun

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    The MOAB is meant for situations where one large blast is better than several small blasts to achieve the same effect. To cover a particular area, you will need to use multiple bombs which will increase the chance of error or a small nuclear device (never a good option). The MOAB will allow you to take out something like a seaport or air base or bunker network with one drop instead of using a bomber payload drop or several aircraft trying to hit the same targets with smart bombs.
     
  6. Ricky

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    Thank you.
     
  7. sinissa

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    I dont need to specify u i will say only 2.Vietnam,and Last gulf war.Reason for last gulf war in medias was that Sadam got chemichal weapon,and after the war no sign of that was finded.So there be only 2 things:
    1.US inteligents r dumbass who cant find corect information (in what i doubth)
    2.Oil,when they put Iraq under ocupation they can exploit oil from Iraq,and chemichal weapons...it was whell used desinformation.
    And arabs hate US,why? Coz US allways help and support israel what ewer they do.It was shown on last IDF campaign where UN wanted to judge Israeli action,and US put veto on that,and it was clearly agression.
     
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    The Vietnam War ended in 1973 in case you haven't noticed. 34 years ago.
    That hardly helps advance your belief that the US has eneamies all over the world.

    The invasion of Iraq is controversial to some people despite all the indications that Saddam's regime was violating the UN mandates however it is not evidence of the truth of your original statement. Saddam was a brutal dictator and a murderer yet had he complied with the directives of the UN inspectors the invasion probably would not have occurred.
    Your theory regarding the US invading Iraq in order to get their oil is silly and has been debated on these forums before. Nobody has yet come up with a remotely plausible theory as to exactly how the US stands to benefit from Iraqi oil. You are welcome to try though.
    Your statement that Arabs hate the US is only your opinion. You don't speak for any Arabs much less all the Arabs. Islamic radicals may hate the US but they are equal opportunity haters and hate all the free people of the Western societies not just the US. There have been extremist Islamic terrorist attacks in European countries also in recent years.
     
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    Seems that there is a lot of folks who believe that the Iraq war was to loot oil. I sure wish they could show me where all that looted oil is going. It surely ain't showing up here. :-?
     
  10. sinissa

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    Actualy and again,UN has mandate for actions like that,not US,so human rights story drop in water.

    And what fuel use US army,and what is price for 1l gasoline in us,im just curious?:)

    Il not start that debate again,continue ur chat about MOAB.
     
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    sinissa:
    I paid $2.35 per gallon (USA) for gasoline this morning.
    Not exactly giving the stuff away...

    Tim
     
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    US galon is 3.785411784 litres,so u payed 2.35$,what is in euros 1,78503703e.

    i pay 0,93984962 for 95 octane gasoline per litre,and 98 octane is around 1e.
    So basing calculation for same money i can buy less then 2 litres of 95 octane gasoline,and my monthly pay is 200e,so u basicly good for around 1.8l.

    So why is gasoline in US cheaper then gasoline in Serbia?
     
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    sinissa:
    My Chevy truck runs on 87 octane (regular) gasoline... or goat-piss in a pinch.
    (heh-heh)
    The higher octane fuels of course cost more per gallon/litre. 92 octane (premium) here in the 'States is the 'top-grade' available... to my knowledge. People owning classic '60s-'70s muscle-cars use additives to boost octane.
    No idea why fuel costs so much in Europe, but glad it's not anymore painful here than it is. 'Seems the price of gasoline is more "volatile" than the gold-market. The price changes here most every day.

    Tim
     
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    And what change oil prices?:)
    Il just remind u that on start gulf war price of oil was increesed.
     
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    In Europe most countrys levy a tax on petrol/deisel that is greater than anything the US levies hence the difference in costs. In the UK the tax is particularly high (afaik it's around 67%) so we end up with prices around the 88p per Litre mark for unleaded (95 octane) (1 gallon [UK] = 4.546 09 liter).

    So a gallon is around the £4 mark (bear in mind the Uk gallon is 1.2 times the US gallon) or around $7.73US or 5.94Euros (1 GBP = 1.48560 EUR)

    I guess Serbia also has higher taxes :D

    It is also worth remembering that there was no real fall in production of oil as the other producing countrys compensated by releasing more oil. The price increase was purely a result of market forces - ie buyers wanting to make sure of their supply so paying a premium. Note that the prices did go down when the panic subsided - only to rise again at the next panic with the result that the other producers agreed to increase output and the price has fallen back a bit once more. It's a bit like a yo-yo really. No real conspiracy there - just human frailty, greed and the producers trying to make a buck.
     
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    This shows just how little some understand about global finance and the world market.
    The differences in the price of gasoline in different countries is, as Cholbert correctly pointed out, mainly due to differences in state imposed taxes. Other more minor differences can result from the quality of the refining facilities available in various countries.
    The US is the 2nd or 3rd largest oil producer in the world IIRC but still buys oil on the open market( just as the Serbians or anyone else does) to make up the difference between what is produced and what is consumed.
     
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    I believe there are differences how to measure octane. An article from wiki-waki:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

    By the way, here at my hometown 95 octane cost about 1,2 €/litre and 98 cost a tad bit more. Diesel is around 1 €/litre.
     
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    Whell,again a bit more then here in serbia,and alot more the US gasoline.I think that reason why is in serbia gasoline a bit cheaper that we got ur own oil sources,what is enought for roughly 40% domestic needs,rest is imported from Russia.Problem is that US folks dont really know how much gasoline in EU cost.
     
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    If the US government put taxes on petrol/gasoline similar to European prices, the whole country would likely grind to a halt. Travelling long distances is commonplace in the USA (my ex's dad has a 2-hour cmommute to work, which is apparently not abnormal). While Americans pay less for fuel, they use more. Simply because America has a lot of space, and is correspondingly more spread out than European countries.

    It would probably be a safe bet to say that they spend as much on fuel per month as the average European - cheaper product but bought in larger quantities.
     
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    in the usa, iirc , we pay something like 60 cents per gallon in gasoline taxes in europe and japan people are forced by their own governments to pay a much higher rate of taxes for fuel ...when my dad lived in germany in 1958 he filled up two 5 gallon jerry cans for a road trip to venice.. he paid px price for the gas 12 cents per gallon ( no taxes at all ) ...when he arrived at the itallian border , he properly declared the gas and was asked to pay a 4 or 5 dollar per gallon tarriff ...he angrily dumped the gas out on the road instead , much to the dismay of the italian border guards ...most of what ppl pay for gas is taxes throughout the world ..the 12 cents my dad paid on base is what it actually cost the us government to deliver it at the pump in germany in 1958...
     

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