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It is the Victors that write history...

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  1. TISO

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    Reoel ever thinking of rebelling again? :D

    We had peasant uprisings (basicly we started this trend). Basicly the same thing. It was fight for "stara pravda" eng.old law. After the ww2 they were hailed as first revolutioanries/ fighters for right of the workers/blah, blah blah...
    Basicly it was rebbelion against ulawfull taxation of local lords. They even wrote to the emperor (that raactionary blood sucking blah, blah, blah) for help in their couse in uphelding the emperors law.
     
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    Yes, it's a law of history that peasant revolts are never about forcing change, they're about undoing change. They also like to rally around familiar symbols, such as Emperors and ancient charters or laws. In the case of the Dutch revolt, the rebellious cities referred to the Great Privilege, which had been granted a century before, in 1477.
     
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    Well, Mr. Nederlander, what I know about the American Revolution is that; Yes, it was over taxes, but it was Taxation WITHOUT represention. Fat George wanted us to pay for more taxes than the Brits on the home Island were paying, and we considered ourselves British Citizens just like them, equals. So we said, "Well f**k that!" to the new taxes the king wanted to levy on us. So we revolted, kicked their sorry little butts all the way back to Canada after finally figuring out how to beat them after losing waaaaay too many times, and here we stand today. A country going from a colony to a 1st rate world power.
     
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    Untrue. The colonists were paying a fraction of the taxes paid by those back in England, and most of what they paid went into maintaining & protecting the colonies.
     
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    "no taxation without representation" ...does that mean that if there was representation in Parliament the US would still be brittish??? :eek:
     
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    Yes :D
     
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    Ah, sez you!


    :smok:
     
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    At the time of the Boston Tea Party the tax on tea had recently been dropped from 1 shilling to 3d (three pennies!) - a 75% REDUCTION in tax on that commodity alone. According to, IIRC Niel Ferguson in Empire - How the British Made the Modern World, the revolt that started in Boston was initiated by smugglers who were losing on profit due to the reduction in taxes - no patriotism or political scheming involved.
     
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    Silly British, still sore about losing. :cry: too bad.... :D
     
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    Thirteen seats in Parliment would have gone a long way towards removing support from the masses.
    Most Americans felt they had shouldered their fair share of the Seven Years War (aka The French and Indian Wars) and were not recieving the same level of benefits as those in the mother country. Merchantilism was alive and well, the US revolution wasn't primarily for the benefit of smugglers.
     

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