hans joachim marseille

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2gHQGqKnGg
enjoy the 5 parts

 

The Star of Africa.
I haven't watched the video, but his claims of around 150 western aircraft made him the superstar of the Luftwaffe. I hvae read that even the Germans ahd a "1:3 rule", that is one western aircraft was as difficult to down as three Soviet aircraft. has anyone else ever come across this kind of statement?

 

This system applied to the awarding of decorations. Since the Germans for a long time shot down Soviet aircraft in droves, a point system was adopted for the Eastern Front wherein the German pilots got a certain number of points for each Russian they shot down, the number of points being determined by the type of plane it was (i.e., fighters, bombers, etc.). In the West, including North Africa, medals were awarded when a pilot shot down a certain number of enemy planes. The more kills the pilots had, the higher the decoration they received.

 

marselle was a good looking kid ,in france they say he had so many girlfreinds that he was haggard and drawn from lack of sleep ..at bob he shot dn 7 spits but was himself shot down 4 or 5 times ..his commander booted him out for being too hot for women and not being serious enough about flying ..lol ..in north africa he once drove a car over a freinds tent as a practical joke ..once when asschewed by a superiour he shot up the ground near his bosses tent useing his 109 !! a wildman on the ground but pure doomsday machine for any raf pilots who were so unfortunate as to cross his path..kittyhawks ,hurris ,spits ..it dint matter wether there were 3 or 10 ,he would drop them all like stones ..with only a few rounds per plane ,he was truely the prince of darkness , almost superhuman , it was a lucky day for the allies when his engine caught fire one day ,he was blinded by smoke in the cockpit and failed to realize that he was in a dive as he rolled inverted to bail out ,his tail plane struck him so hard he never woke up ,never pulled his d ring ..rip , star of africa....mabey the best fighter pilot ever ,in history ..he was all of 22 years old

 

the best fighter pilots, hartman and marseille, had the same attitud and recklessnes but once they polished their tactics, they become the best of the best, sadlly only hartman survive, can you imagine if marseille survive that incident?

 

herev again ...you got to wonder ,how did germany get all these phenomenons ..i know they flew more missions and had lottsa targets ,but still ......the disparity is SO huge between luftwaffe top aces and allied pilots ..a hudred aces with over a hundred kills a piece..and marseille was almost supernatural ..im glad for the raf boys that he did have his engine fire though...a lucky break for the good guys...

 

Is it me, or do these two statements contradict each other?

 

It took Marseille a while to perfect his methods and tactics, but after he finessed them, the results speaks for it self:

"With tactics soon perfected, his score rose dramatically. On February 22, 1942 he reached 50 (43 in forty weeks); 75 on June 5 (25 in fifteen weeks); and 101 on June 18 (26 in thirteen days), clearly becoming very effective "killing machine" in its highest gear. On June 15 he shot down 4 aircraft in three minutes. Two days later he score 6 in only ten minutes."

He propably is the best example of the "short lived star streaks" that were burning themselves up in the WW2 airwarfare.



Hans Joachim Marseille (click the links for a slightly larger pictures)


And this is Marseille at his peak, just 22 years old. You can see how much toll has the war taken on him. The difference between the pictures is huge, even altough they are taken only a short while apart.

 

well ricky ..at the bob he was a beginner fighter pilot summer 40 , two years later he the very prince of darkness..tobruk, bengazi ,ect...two different varients of maiselle..it was this later mairselle that erased entire flights of raf personel from fighter command all by his lonesome self his style of attack was attempted by some of his squadron mates to no avail , it was something that couldnt be learned (luckily ) he was truely a gifted one of a kind , stick and rudder man and trick shooter too ...and very demoralizing to the desert airforce chaps..lucky for the usaac pilots he was dead before they had a chance to run affoul of him , im sure he would of butchered yanks with the same apparent ease...

 

fighter pilots

Anyone know anything about a story I picked up in Holland about a German Night fighter pilot. He at one time flew from a field in the Venlo area, he somehow had his machine guns/cannon mounted at 45degress pointing upwards. Supposedly very successful in flying under Lancs and firing instead of head-on. any info?
Feel free to 'rubbish' this story if you wish as I am not an aero buff.

 

I think the weapon you're referring to is the "Schrage Musik" upward firing gun installation mounted in German night fighters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%A4ge_Musik

 

prolly you are reffering to: w. streib or the night ghost, top night ace, h.w. schanufer
the me 110 g-4 was armed with the schrage musik, also the ju88 c-6b and the he 219

 

A very useful weapon system, given that British bombers did not mount ventral gun turrets, making them sitting ducks from below.

 

...yes ..but the DID mount 4 machine guns in the TAIL turret to make up for it !!...and by bombing at night they were not likely to blunder into an urban area which might be patrolled by lw nightfighters... plus they could inflict severe damage to open feilds and wooded areas which might harbor secret underground factories or future v1 launch sites...

 

I am a big fan of German aces..

But Hartmman was shot down like 26 -30 times, Galland was shot down twice in one day.. Some of their stories are pretty good reading..

In the end the Luftwaffe ran out of trained pilots.. as none of these guys were used to train the next lot.

 

When you consider that they flew combat for years, it's no wonder that they tended to get shot down once in a while. And you're right, Stonewall, the German pilot training program never did get into high gear until it was too late; ditto the Japanese, for that matter. Strange how both of the major Axis players made the same error in this area.

 

As is the disparity between the number of sorties and the types of war they respectfully fought, it's really not that shocking.

 

This point system also included points for damaging bomber so it would leave formation, plane type (bomber, fighter...), escort missions... Point system was the same on all fronts. It is not realy true about VVS being shot down in droves. Some kanal jaeger got killed in the east PDQ.

 

I am confused here as to whether you are being sarcastic or serious, care to clarify on what (If any) point you are trying to make?

Not being sarcastic myself here, but proper sentences and grammar or at the very least, a few appropriate emoticons/smilies would really help.

 

Hartmann was "shot down" 16 times, according to Mike Spick's "Luftwaffe fighter aces". That number included the mishap on his first mission and the "forced bailout" by Mustang's over Ploesti.

Galland was shot down 4 times, and in fact, twice in a same day.