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P-47 Thunderbolt in Dogfight

Discussion in 'Air Warfare' started by Che_Guevara, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. Che_Guevara

    Che_Guevara New Member

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    Very interesting, thanks. :cool:

    The P-47 wasn't a bad dogfighter. It didn't climb very well and was more difficult to fly, but in most other respects it was just as good as and even better than the Mustang. And it could take a hell of a beating, just like one of the videos above describes.
     
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    the jug , like the fw 190 was an airplane designed arround an engine that was already available in abundance . the dc3 2000 hp double wasp radial was built by the thousands for the very succesful douglas airliner ...basically they had lots of engines and said : build me a fighter arround this powerplant "
     
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    You are mixing Pratt & Whitney R1830 Twin Wasp and R2800 Double Wasp. They are two very different engines. Twin Wasp was two row 14 cylinder aircooled radial engine with 1830 cid displacement and it was used in DC3 and in many other planes. Power was a bit over 1000 hp range. This engine was available already before the war.
    While Double Wasp was two row 18 cylinder aircooled radial engine with 2800 cid displacement. It was used in P-47, F6 and F4U and in many, many other planes. Power was 2000 hp + range. This engine came available at the early parts of war.
     
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    The P-47 had a pretty good success rate in air combat but really came into it's own as a stike aircraft.
     
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    double wasp was purpose built for 1942 fighters ? dc3 engines were never used in fighters ? ..hmmm ,wonder where i got that misinformation ..am i correct about the condor engines being used for fw 190s or is that also urban myth?
     
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    Well, Double Wasp was used in bombers, for instance B-26 Marauder. And Twin Wasp was used in fighters, most notably in F4F Wildcat.
    And condor engines, lets see... BMW/Bramo 323. Mainly bombers, recceplanes and transports. No fighters as far as I know. It wasn't that powerful engine and apparenty it wasn't that modern even 1939. Sure it was BMW engine that powered FW-190A but that BMW 801 was very different beast than that archaic Bramo 323.
     
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    Actually, the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt was built around the turbo-supercharger and all the ductwork that accompanied it. I think the ductwork alone was something like sixteen feet in length.
    It made for one big, deep-bellied fighter-aircraft.

    Tim
     
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    And yet the Jug was surprisingly nimble for an aircraft of its size.
     
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    It bled energy off like a brick in the water in a turn, and it definitely wasn't a nimble fighter.

    However, the jug retained most of its roll rate throughout the performance envelope, thus being able to out-turn more maneuverable aircraft by utilising vertical maneuvers. Google for "high yo yo" for more info for one of such maneuver.

    In general, you're always able to generate shooting opportunities or deny them with an aircraft with superior roll rate compared to an aircraft with superior turn rate. The Thunderbolt was one example of such plane.
     
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    And it had the great ability to put its nose down and dive away from trouble.
     
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    yes ricky , and a placard in the cockpit reminded pilots to applie full emegency war power if they ever hoped to pull out of that steep escape dive .the jug was a great plane as long as you kept your speed up and never got suckered into a turning fight , boom and zoom but dont follow a turn or you will likely burn ...
     
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    The same was true for the P-40 Warhawk, the P-38 Lightning, and the F4F Wildcat; you had to use the right tactics in order for them to be effective fighters.
     
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    corsair and hellcat too ..speed was proven to trump turning if you can remember not to turn in your yankee lead sled .well ok , you can turn a little bit mabey ..
     

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