when germany started to rearm illegally in the thirtys , there must have been some in the west who protested , predicted and complained , who were they and how were they rebuffed ?
Churchill was at the front of those and he was deemed to be a warmongeror. The problem was that peeps in the 30's remembered the bloodbath of WW1 and a, didn't believe war like that could happen again, b, didn't want to get involved in such a war even it if did. It is for that reason that the allies adopted apeasment as a policy for germany's growing ambitions. FNG
Here in the United States, my history texts referred to the First World War as the "War to End ALL Wars." We were, as a country, isolationist both before, and especially after WWI. What about that rascal Joe Kennedy... didn't he make overtures concerning Germany that cost him his political career? Tim
Lidbergh is anther example of person who supported nazi germany and said that the US was getting too involved Linedberg was given medals from Goering http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Blogspot/i ... esized.jpg as for whistle blowers the only one i can recall (as mentioned) is churchill.
I honestly don't see any problem with Islam and I have read and learned about it... I hope i'm not being anti-American
You also forget that it was the British that allowed the Germans to rearm legally, not totally but on a limited scale in limited fields.
You also forget that it was the British that allowed the Germans to rearm legally, not totally but on a limited scale in limited fields.
smeg , america has always been about freedom of choice in religion ,free speech and the pusuit of happiness . your willingness to submit and accept "dhimini status "is not unamerican . the us military has adopted a policy of dont ask ,dont tell which protects the rights of those of the submissive orientation . seriously though smeg , i know from your posts that you are bright well read and logical , yet you claim you have" read up on islam and see no problem with it" .this is a paradox , and as mr spock would say "does not compute " islam in theory and practice is hostile to everything that we in this forum hold dear ,sharia does not condone freedom of thought ,speech ,religion ( or lack thereof) dress, diet ,assembly ,orientation or anything else .women ,children and religious minoritys are treated like dung and all knowlege ,science ,litreture ,law, govt democracy ie anything that is not from the koran is to be scoffed at and ignored.islam does not accept a seperation of church and state . islam is church and state.and it is not content to sit idle ,islam intends to cover the world and cannot exist in peace with nonmuslims . anyone who knows anything at all about islam , knows this is the case ,how is it possible smeg , that you percieve no problem with this body of reppression ,ignorance ,brutality and intolerance ?islam is islam , there is no islam lite , when you studied up on islam ,did you miss this part ? what part of islam is it that you have no problem with ? if you truely pine for dhiminni status i can accept it but dont understand it , those westerners who apologise for islam are either ignorant or obtuse .there is NOTHING in islam that is good or benificial to the west .islam is still the same superstitious malevolent nonsense it was 1400 years ago .it is a jumble of badly plagerized texts from hebrew and christian scripture with alot of arabic paganism scattered about ,anyone who has ever attempted to read this ridiculous pile of crap will tell you it was edited by a blind one armed halfwit and compiled in a dust storm .the bible is a masterwork of logic and readebility when compared to this moronic stack of incomprehensible gibberish ...doubt me ?, please see for yourselves .while all religions are the invention and wishful thinking of men ,islam is because of its size and wsrlike message ,a real danger to our world .i have no problem with prople who wish to belive in an all powerful superstition that is invisable and unsuportable unless they insist on makeing me belive it too.islam insists that we all submit and will kill happily to see this end. heres the problem ,a billion plus people ,because of severe abuse as children belive in their hearts that this is gods word . and god has instructed them to kill or convert us .this is why islam is now and always has been in a state of cold or hot war with its neigbors , smeg are you ok with this part or did you miss it somehow in your studies ? islam nas killed hudreds of millions and it is growing bigger every day , it cannot and will not abide our secular world .it will never dry up and blow away like christianity .it is a malignant cancer .to ignore it is folly . all billion and a half muslims do not want to kill us ,only 20 or 30 % hundreds of muslims are against killing us and even say so out loud .the majority would not want to help in the killing but would merely look the other way . i find this to be of little comfort ,many in the west prefer to belive that muslims are just like us and we can ass kiss our way out of conflct with them , this would be like people who belive that if israel gives up the golan and gaza and returns to the 67 borders that the palistinians will stop killing them . this is silly nonsense .those of us who appease or apologise for the muslims are merely " useful fools " who are unwittingly provideing aid and comfort to those who are intent on our destruction .if islam removed the bigotry , bile and calls for jihad , it wouldnt be a problem for us . if it were omprised of a few million people it wouldnt be a problem . certainly most of europes leadership has within recent years adopted the kneeling position with mouth agape at the slightest sign of mohmeen displeasure .muslims in the west are working hard to make it a " hate crime" for anyone to express anything remotely critical of islam or of the poor maleigned muslim people .the new british pm has ordered scotland yard and the military to refrain from useing the words "terrorist "in the same sentence with the word "muslim or islamic ". afterall a terroist could be lithuanian ,dutch or norwegian , right ?. pm browns tough new stance pleases his apparent mohamedin masters and readily shows his willingness to accept the proper dhimini attitude of a non muslim .what i dont understand is why anyone would want to accept second class status in their own country . cromwell ,churchill and thatcher would never be so fast to show the white feather .and look what happened to the land of cortez and pizzarro . want to force the spanish military out of iraq , easy , kill a bunch of spanish civillians and all of spain will plop on its back and through its heels up like a ten dollar prostitute ,truely a nation of puhtos. even president bush stopped useing the disrespectful word "islamofascest"and instead started calling islam , "the religion of peace " as if by calling it that might somehow make it so .also the white house now has "ramadan dinners "to celebrate the fasting days of the moon worshippers . .some us college campuses are installing foot bathing facilties for muslim students . of course if someone wanted to display a crucifix or menora anywhere on campus ,these same pc administrator dhiminis would have an apoplectic fit .muslim taxi drivers in the midwest refuse to pick up passengers with grocery bags containing pork or unopened wine , beer.or spirets and will not allow even the guide dogs of the blinde inside their cabs .as these things are unclean some in this forum seem to feel that islam is the way of the future and its best to start sucking up right now .no matter what outrageous thing muslims might say or do ,there are legions of hopeful dhiminis in the west who will find a way to justify or apologize for it .and somehow even manage to blame christianity ,colonialism or bush and cheney .perhaps some of you younger guys are willing to give up free thought ,speech ,and the hard won equal rights and chastity of your women folk ,in your appeasement of your future superiours . myself , im too old and stuck in my ways to even pretend acceptance of the teachings of any halfwit pedofile caravan raider from the flyblown wastes of medina ( piss be apon him ) luckily for me , i live in the usa and we are a long way off from any sharia majority .you young apologists who live in the future stans of NL , UK ,scandinavia ect should start learning your satanic verses right now . so as to avoid the rush later of your fellow swine-simian countrymen .better yet grow a pair of balls and fight for your home , your culture , your freedoms and your women ,islam is not your freind and it is not going away . smeg , many of your aussie countrymen are a rather old fashioned and pugnacious . i suggest for your own well being , you adopt a dont ask dont tell policy in regards to your "orientation " ie .... "seeing no problem with islam " better yet ,read the koran , pay attention to world events ,and the message of the imans ,smell the coffee and work to contain and extinguish the powers of darkness . remember the biggest victims of islam are muslims themselves but they are beyond help , your ignorent contrymen are not ,ignoreing or abetting the spread of islam is a crime against our grandchildren and a surrender of democracy and freedom ,though it is stupid ,ignorent and bacward it is still very dangerous ,fight it and get your freinds to fight it .this is not about terrorists ,it is about islam .
Ignoring the sidetrack (that's enough guys)... Germany actually had semi-legal justification for re-arming. The reduction in the German Armed Forces was planned as the beginning of a global reduction in everybody's Armed Forces, to prevent big wars and promote peace. The only problem was, nobody else disarmed. So Germany was able to say "Everybody was supposed to disarm. We did, but you didn't. So screw you guys, I'm gonna build me some guns."
I think every country has a right to a self-defense force, Army, Navy and Air-force. Germany post WWI included. I think the terms of the 1918 Armistice led to a general feeling of 'we was done dirty' by the Germans as a nation. The crazy inflation and high unemployment of the 30's made those "brown-shirts" look attractive, and the political scene was ripe for a despot like Hitler. Least that's what I'm thinking right now. Tim
About Woody's comments: a big Yawn as it seems that no matter what topic or period with him always comes to about nasty muslims trying to to kill him and everybody on the "christian" west. On some other forums you would get banned in no time for your bigoted and racist posts. About the topic. Most of the western ( British, French and US) sentiment was on German side as it was tacit recognition of exceedingly harsh and let's face it unfair peace terms after the ww1. Churchill, Deladier... went against the tide in this respect as everybody else was considering SSSR a far greater threat and Nazis were considered a usefull tool in countering them. Also public opinion was against any sabre rattling as they still remembered the sloughterhouse known now as WW1. Churchill is particulary known for his opposition to German rearment but he was considered an "excentric" (crazy really) not in least for his performance as 1st lord of admirality during WW1 and his general opposition to anything really. he was rightfully considereda man that would do and say anything to get back into postion of power.
well not just the christian west , muslim jihad is waged by muslims of all colors against infidels of all colors ,all over the planet , not us , but the hindus and black africans are currently the most put apon by jihadi forces .and i now regard anyone fighting jihadist mohmeens as my freinds and allies whatever their color , so i can hardly be accused of picking sides according to race . .and btw muslims are not all of one race ,like americans they come in every possible color, i thought for sure you that you were aware of that ,tiso as to bigotry , i would point out that since 911 there have been some 10,000 muslim jihad attacks resulting in death .these are spread out pretty much wherever muslims live near non muslims .a google history search will show this is not a new phenominon . nor are muslims coy about saying why they do this . given the words in the koran and haditha and the preachings of imans and mullas (have a look at youtube ,tiso ) , the size of the muslim population , its colonization of europe AND ITS RATE OF GROWTH ,with its tendency to band together and defend any act , no matter how horrible .and the present state of weapons technology .it seems to me that a non muslim would have to be a little bit dim , not to have some concern for future conflicts . tiso , you have said you have known some muslims and they seem harmless enough to you , is this personal experience the reason for your casual disregard of what seems rather allarming to some of us ? is it your veiw that peacful muslims are currently being attacked by serbs ,isralies ,indians ,copts ,yanks ,croats ,phillipinos ,anzaks, greeks ,thais ,chinese ,spaniards ,russians ,brits ,sihks,kurds ,armenians ,frogs ,scandinavians ect ,ect ..and that they are merely defending themselves ?? i guess soaking thai schoolgirls in gasoline and setting them alight or leaving a hindu boys head on his moms front stoop is guerrilla tactics... of a sort , and i realize muslims are not some solid block working in perfect harmony . and are often jihading each other too. heck ,the favorite sport among shias and sunis in bagdad last year was kidnapping one another and useing electric power tools to interogate each other , actually its not interrogation as we would think of it, cause theres really no questions to answer , unless you consider sobbing ,praying and screaming as answers . and while no muslim has ever designed or built anything as complicated as a black and decker drill , you have to admit those guys have figured out some uses for it ,that just wouldnt ever occur to most of us . what a zaney bunch of screwball pranksters , eh tiso?
By GOD, TISO... not for sure, but it would appear we are in agreement. (Angels sing, and trumpets blare!) Tim
Woody re. your last post what the hell does it have in common with Whistleblowers in 1936 regarding german rearmament?
Tiso the same question can be asked of your post above. I think that Franklin Roosevelt could be seen as a mild whistleblower, but since the great depression was happening in America I think it wouldve been political suicide to worry about some european country's problem.
tiso . a good point about the idea of a german bulwark to counter the red menace , i never thought of that . i guess everyone kinda underestimated just how good the germans would be at rearming and rethinking the art of war, my muslim rant was a response to smegs post above and btw , tiso , what about my question , do you not percieve any threat whatsoever from a reinvigorated muslim encroachment in the west ? is a renewed jihad threat merely a figment of my imagination? do your countrymen feel that a possible return of sharia law and slovinian , serb ,ect dhimini status in the balkans would be no big deal? or is it so far fetched as to be not even worth contimplateing ? i admit that this is an unlikely event in the near future but how about in your childrens time or their childrens time , or are you more concerned about serbia or austria or italy? it almost seems that you would prefer an ultimate muslim victory and dominance over the west would be a good thing even if this would surely presage a muslim victory in eastern europe , do you loathe the west so much as to prefer a muslim future and a collapse of our shared post judeo christian heritage? do you agree that there is a diference in the two cultures and that your country has more in common with the west than with the islamic world , certainly you always take their side in any debate in this forum . ie muslims are benign , there is no such thing as jihad , israel deserves to be rubbed out , western ideals of free speech ,religious tolerance , gender equality and proggressive thought are bogus and overvalued or actually nonexistant . smeg says he has read up on islam and "honestly sees no problem with it " apparently suicide bombings ,televised beheadings ,honor killings , gang rapes of teenage girls in australia ,denmark ,france ,ect.. ,dress code police , jew baiting ,ethnic cleansing , and riots ,arson and murder because of words or cartoons in a newspaper is really nothing to get all upset about ...honestly ,i have to admit ,i do see a problem , do you see a problem ? . i know this is a lot of questions but please try to humor me . i respect your keen inteligence , deep knowlege of history and ability to hold forth in what is clearly not your native tongue , but am a bit baffled by your world veiw in reference to islam ,israel ,europe and western civilisation ...
