Welcome to the WWII Forums! Log in or Sign up to interact with the community.

The US Army is developing a new skills badge, the Expert Action Badge. Good or bad?

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by A-58, Mar 26, 2017.

  1. A-58

    A-58 Cool Dude

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2008
    Messages:
    9,033
    Likes Received:
    1,824
    Location:
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana
    Read the article and post what you think. I'm not sure about it. There's already the Expert Infantryman's Badge (EIB) and the Expert Field Medical Badge (EFMB) to accompany the highly coveted Combat Infantryman's Badge (CIB) and the Combat Medical Badge (CMB). This new skills badge is to be awarded to those troops who train in the infantryman's skill while possessing a non 11 series (infantry) MOS.

    The Army is developing a new Expert Action Badge for soldiers who aren't grunts

    Make sure to read the comments!
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2017
  2. Brian Smith

    Brian Smith Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2013
    Messages:
    527
    Likes Received:
    57
    Location:
    Bridlington East Riding Yorkshire England
    Where is the badge for knitting and needlework? a disgrace these valuable and overlooked skills are not recognized.
     
    A-58 likes this.
  3. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Messages:
    5,168
    Likes Received:
    2,140
    Location:
    God's Country
    It's about as dumb as screen doors on a submarine.
     
    A-58 likes this.
  4. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2010
    Messages:
    10,245
    Likes Received:
    3,468
    Yeah its a bit boy scouty...Who wants be known as an expert in battle anyway!? Everyone looking to you...Too much delineation for a group that's supposed to be the same.
     
  5. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2011
    Messages:
    7,232
    Likes Received:
    1,286
    Location:
    The Land of 10,000 Loons
    Okay. I'll be the contrarian. While I'm not a cheerleader for the idea, I don't think it's a stupid idea. The following quotes from the article summarize why I don't think it's stupid or pointless:

    “This is for the remainder of MOSs that don’t have a formal way of certifying competencies associated with their MOSs...”

    For every soldier who’s not an infantryman or medic, they will be tested on warrior tasks and battle drills in a training event similar to what soldiers must complete for the infantry and medic badges...

    Sergeant Major of the Army Dan Dailey told Army Times that offering testing and a badge is a good way to incentivize soldiers to train and remain proficient.
    “I want to build individual skills,” he said. “The reason why we have an EIB and EFMB is so those two fields can maintain their skills during peacetime.”


    Now, giving EVERYBODY berets, that was pointless and stupid.
     
    McCabe likes this.
  6. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2015
    Messages:
    2,652
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Hey, I'm a traditionalist...I'm not even sure why they thought splitting a Navy Department off of the War Department was a good idea...
     
  7. Takao

    Takao Ace

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    10,104
    Likes Received:
    2,576
    Location:
    Reading, PA
    Now, you too can master the dreaded assault typewriter...
    [​IMG]
     
  8. ColHessler

    ColHessler Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2010
    Messages:
    1,303
    Likes Received:
    434
    I think the guy who called it "another participation trophy" nailed it. It's just what I was thinking.
     
  9. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Messages:
    5,168
    Likes Received:
    2,140
    Location:
    God's Country
    Speaking from my time in the Army, most regular units are poor at non-MOS related skill maintenance training. I will also wager once they get the badge they will no longer practice in order to maintain the skills they got the badge for. The only way to assure they maintain basic combat skills would be to require annual re-certification and strip the badge if they fail. In the Marine Corps on the other hand promotions are more competitive and your annual EST (Essential Skills Testing) is a significant part of your cutting score.
    I think the bigger problem, and one which this badge will not correct is the lack of training in infantry skills for personnel that are assigned to a non-combat MOS. The only "combat" training a non-combat arms soldier gets is during their 10 week basic training. Then they report to their AIT for MOS training. Marine recruits receive a slightly greater amount of combat training during their twelve week boot camp, mainly relating to "the Crucible" event. However, all non-infantry (note I didn't say non-combat arms because tankers, artillerymen, etc. have to attend also) MOS Marines get an additional month of infantry skills training at MCT (Marine Combat Training) at either SOI (East) or SOI (West) before they move on to their MOS schools. Infantry soldiers get an additional four weeks combat training (the same amount of infantry training non-combat Marines get) moving directly from basic into their Advanced Infantry Training. In the Marine Corps Infantry MOS Marines go to Infantry Training School, SOI for an additional 8 1/2 weeks Infantry Training. So and Infantry Marine gets 47% more training in basic/advanced infantry skills than an infantry soldier, a non-combat MOS Marine gets four weeks of dedicated Infantry skills training where the Army provides non-combat MOS' none past basic. This provides benefits in areas not readily apparent, for instance an Army tanker goes directly from basic to tankers school. A Marine tanker goes from basic to MCT and then to the very same (run by the US Army) tankers school. The Marine has a greater appreciation for and understanding of the Infantry Marine, how they operate and how to support them.
    Instead of a badge the Army needs to dedicate additional training time to provide non-combat arms soldiers with basic combat infantry skills. They won't though because of the infighting between their various branches.
     
  10. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2011
    Messages:
    7,232
    Likes Received:
    1,286
    Location:
    The Land of 10,000 Loons
    Badge or no badge, that is a failure of leadership.
     
  11. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Messages:
    5,168
    Likes Received:
    2,140
    Location:
    God's Country
    I agree.
     
  12. A-58

    A-58 Cool Dude

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2008
    Messages:
    9,033
    Likes Received:
    1,824
    Location:
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana
    This badge and the rationale behind it is just about as silly as the medal the Air Farce wanted to introduce for "combat drone pilots" a few years back.
     
  13. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Messages:
    5,168
    Likes Received:
    2,140
    Location:
    God's Country
    I agree. Again.
     

Share This Page