Manchester Terror Attack

This is beyond belief-
"The father of the Manchester Arena suicide bomber Salman Abedi has said son is innocent, and has confirmed police have arrested another of his sons.
Abedi killed 22 people and injured at least 119 more when he detonated a bomb on Monday night as children were piling out of the venue having watched Ariana Grande.
But talking from Tripoli in Libya today, his father Ramadan Abedi insisted: 'We don't believe in killing innocents. This is not us.'"
My son's innocent, says father of Manchester Arena bomber | Daily Mail Online

 

Isn't what's left of his his body part of the debris?

Interviewing the father is worthless IMO, not newsworthy. No one can be objective in the face of discovering their offspring decided to turn them himself and others into heaps of human garbage.

According to wooley12's brain, his father is correct: it was Hitler's fault.

 

Thanks

 

I disagree. I think it actually highlights some of the issues. As for objectivity as I recall it was the brother of the Unibomber reporting his suspicions that lead to the arrest of culprit. I'm pretty sure I've read of the parents of some terrorist "disowning" their children for such activities. In this case the father having a hard time believing it isn't too much of a surprise. For that matter we don't really know what the evidence is that leads the authorities to suspect him. I wouldn't expect the British to make such an announcement without pretty good evidence but I'll withhold my judgment until more data is available. For instance it has been reported that Daesh has made use of unwitting individuals as bomb carriers. I won't call them suicide bombers because they didn't know they were being used as expendable weapons delivery platforms. I don't think that's the case here but I don't know enough to rule it out.

 

If the TV Talking Heads are correct, a brother of Abedi has been arrested in Tripoli. I hope the Brits allow the Libyans to interrogate him because they'll get much more info from testicle crushing than from a lawyered-up suspect back in Britain. Even if they don't get more info, you still get the bonus of knowing his testicles are being crushed.

 

You are welcome. I give you credit for not backing off your original Nazis-are-the-TRUE-cause-of-Jihad premise. It has absolutely no credence, but at least you are going all the way with it.

 

Granted it has some merit, but parents are by their nature unobjective, and it this case we are getting the comments shortly after he received the news about the death of his son. Comments should be taken with salt.

 

The father could have reacted in quite a few different ways. He could have admitted his son did it and either been sorry or proud. He could as is the case here at least professed disbelief. How he reacts gives us clews about the people involved, as you stated it shouldn't be taken as having any great weight in establishing culpability although if he had admitted it I'd be inclined to believe him. I think in some ways it speaks well of the father that he has a hard time believing his son would commit such an act.

 

If you think it reflects positively on him, I guess that's a valid take away for you. His thoughts mean little in terms of an investigation from my perspective. This reminds me of every time there is some sort of wet weather catastrophe and reporters are dispatched to the scene in waders to report from knee deep water. It's interesting but as a source of real context it's value is low.

 

The father (and the brother) are both being detained by Libyan "security forces" (according to Faux News), so this is beginning to look like the whole family is a terrorist cell in itself.

 

Please don't let your bias put words in my mouth. Better that you should use a direct quote. Fighters from the ME were being schooled in warfare by the Nazis early in the war. Before the US became involved. The Nazis had studied the Muslim teachings and twisted it. The boys from the ME came away from their lessons to push for jihad to give religious backing to their war with their neighbors and the Allies. The more that you study history with an open mind, the better you will under stand it.

PS "Nutcrushing" Sounds like something that you would hear ISIS would promote. Maybe read what some of the famous generals told their troops about respecting the enemy as human. Makes a person sound macho guess so swing your ** as you will with the knowledge that you are aiding and abetting the enemy. Not just my opinion.

 

I lean closer to an 'eye for an eye' outlook on how to treat your enemy. Jihadis are not really human in the sense that they don't have human traits like empathy or kindness, so if testicle crushing gets answers quicker, I am fine with that. As we write, Britain has raised the terror alert to 'critical' expecting further mass murders. So, if torturing one of these cockroaches has even a remote chance of thwarting an attack, I'd be happy to lend the Libyans my largest set of pliers.

 

There, feel better now? I'm curious,. Did you ever kill or torture anyone? It would lend credence to your opinion. Otherwise, like me, you are just a guy at the keyboard with time and an opinion.

My FIL had come from Germany in 1929. His nephew joined the SS about 1941. Should we have put my FIL in a camp like with the Japanese? As s it was, he was drafted and sent back to Germany where he manned a heavy machine gun at The Bulge.

 

The difference is that this father is in Libya wrapped up with ISIS, along with his three sons.

 

OK then. And as to my first question?

 

Being attributed to an RAF machine currently on operations.
The continuation of a longstanding tradition...

 

Might be jumping the gun, but this kinda puts the father's comments in perspective-
"The family of the Manchester suicide bomber have links to terror networks around the world, it has been revealed.
Salman Abedi killed 22 people and injured at least 119 more when he detonated a bomb on Monday night as children were piling out of Manchester Arena having watched Ariana Grande.
His father Ramadan and younger brother Hashem were in custody in Libya last night after being arrested by counter-terror police. Detectives said Hashem had links to ISIS and was planning to carry out a terror attack in Tripoli.
Hashem was accused of having known about his brother's murderous plans for more than a month, while it emerged his father had been a revolutionary fighter who publicly voiced support for an Al Qaeda-linked group in Syria.
A third relative, Abedi's older brother Ismail, was arrested in Manchester. It is not known what his involvement, if any, was. He was once reported to a counter- terrorism unit after concerns were raised by members of the Muslim community. "
Jihadi family: Police had warnings on Manchester bomber | Daily Mail Online

 

What I hate about these terror attacks is that I think we are playing into the terrorist's hands. They want all this hate, they want us to react, hopefully against an innocent target, so they can incite even more hate. I think they want the world destroyed as we know it now. Then they figure that they can climb out of the rubble and rule the world.

I try not to hate although I must admit I do. Reason tells me that I need to be smarter and figure out a way to squish these bastards like a bug.

But in a nice way.

KTK

 

Just keep the blame where it should be...the terrorists and extreme Islam...root out both in your country.
The backlash is getting smaller and smaller after these events...it means we are getting used to it...it also means that its getting less effective...We cant absorb a 9/11 but we can absorb Manchesters over and over...
What I want to see is the Grand Mufti of that particular country be the first to condemn...to denounce and to say "they are NOT Muslim" but murderers...ive seen this happen, but too few times and not loud enough...if someone was hijacking my religion I wouldn't stop until everyone had been rooted out...the REAL response has to come from their peers...IMO

 

Lying and being double-faced is typical of all true Muslims, specially the Shiite. The Grand Mufti may denounce this actions as loud as he can, then he'll go backstage, drinks, and belly dance or watch one.

Al-Azhar, claims to be a modern university with scholars, researchers, high degrees... I've seen its president denouncing Jihadists (while siting quite relaxed, as if talking about carrots). And I've also seen its professors on a CNN, VOA, BBC... debates/interviews too. The moment someone mentions the obvious truth about their religion they become so infuriated that if they were not on Skype they would probably behead everyone attending the program khalid ibn al-walid's style.