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Discussion in 'WWII Books & Publications' started by Rob_ert, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. CKM

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    Black Edelweiss was written by a member of the SS who was in Finland from '43 until the armistice with the Soviets. He missed the early fighting in that area. The description of the march out of Finland into Norway in the Winter is the stuff of nightmares.
     
  2. Riter

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    Otto P. 30 Years' Journey volume II covers his experience in the 1/137th Regt. 2nd Gebirgjager Div. in Russia. They attempted to capture Murmansk and were driven back. He later fought the Western Allies, was wounded and recovering at home when Germany surrendered.

    Vol 1. covers his childhood, flight from Austria to join the SA Legion and enlistment into the 9th MG Battalion (destroyed at Stalingrad). He later transferred to the 137th Gebirgjager Regt.
     
  3. Slipdigit

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    It is not going to be a polished up treatment. It is more or less his journals transcribed as he wrote them. He does provide some good on the ground insights of the war.

    He saw the dogs trained to run under tanks.
    He witnessed the collapsed of the Romanians north of Stalingrad.
    He lived with a Ukrainian family one winter and that was interesting to me.
    He mentioned re-entering Karkov (I think - its been a while, though) and seeing large numbers of people hanged from the streetlights. This was when I was editing the manuscript and was also reading another book on the Eastern Front at the same time and the author of that book had also mentioned the hangings. He verified with his writings the atrocities of the Reds, too.

    The book ends abruptly in early 1944. He had left his journals with his family when he was home on leave early that year. They figured he started another volume when he got back to his unit (299th ID), which was swallowed up when AGC collapsed in June 1944.
     
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    Slipdigit - bet his journal is in the Soviet Archives.
     
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    If any are, it would be the last one he had with him when he was killed.

    The others were left with his family and stored in an attic. I understand talking with his granddaughter that they were not revealed until the early 2000s.
     
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    BTW slipdigit - thanks for getting that book out. I read it years ago and still have it on my bookshelf.

    I'm active at other forums and read things by people who want war with Russia. They have no idea about war fighting against Russia. While Russia is the smallest it has been since the days of the Czar or Soviet Union, it is still nothing to laugh at or dismiss lightly. In addition to the mud and weather, everybody regardless of age or gender fought against the Nazis (if they didn't become hiwis/Vlaslov Army) including men, women and children. War makes for great reading, but we don't need another one.
     
  7. Martin Bull

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    I have several shelves groaning under the weight of Eastern Front books. There are some good recommendations above ( especially the David Stahel books ). Also worth looking for are two books by Robert M Citino ; Death Of The Wehrmacht - The German Campaigns Of 1942' ( University Press of Kansas, 2007 ) and 'The Wehrmacht Retreats - Fighting A Lost War 1943' ( ditto, 2012 ).

    An excellent introfuction to the reality of the 'Babrbarossa' phase is Robert kershaw's 'War Without Garlands - Operation Barbarossa 1941-1942' ( Ian Allan 2000, reprinted 2008). This links quotations from many German first-hand accounts, often which have never been published in English. It is very powerful. It also features a superb bibliography listing all the books he used. But be careful - deciding to acuire those books van be expensive - as I found out ! :oops:

    O/T but it's interesting that good books about the Ostfront in English used to be few and far between ( Clark, Carell, etc ) but since the turn of this century a huge amount of good quality research and publishing has been done. Where would we be without those American University publishers....? :confused:

    ( I should also point out that I am no academic ! I do like books to be both accurate and readable )
     
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    Yoy are t)arting right? Otherwise i lead you to our aud())()dience. The man the man!
     
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    Welĺlcome back you lot!​
     
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    I noticed in this thread that someone mentioned Guy Sajer's 'The Forgotten Soldier'. I remembered that we've had some good discussions in the past about this book ; here's one thread from when we were a bit younger...;)

    http://ww2f.com/threads/forgotten-soldier.3615/#post-58875

    The overall consensus is that while Sajer's memory may have played some tricks, and some scenes may have been embellished, his book remains a very powerful evocation of conditions on the Eastern Front. Either way, it's 'required reading'.
     
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    Thanks Ritter. I only read through the translated text and offered edits. The people who did the German to English translation didn't have any historical or Germany military background and did literal translations of the most of the words that had a military or combat context. I also helped them to pinpoint that he was in the panzerjager battalion. They at first thought he was a cartographer because he had drawn so many maps in the journal.
     
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    I read most of a book last autumn (Frontsoldaten, Fritz, 1995) that quoted extensively from Sajer's book and several other first person accounts that I had read, such as Knappe's autobiography, Soldat (1992). Frontsoldaten was just okay and was more of a research into the psyche of the solder and took less of a biographical approach. I didn't finish it. It kind of had a Lost Victories vibe to it. To me, any way.

    BTW, I still like your "after" picture, crossing the road in the Ardennes. I looked for it, but could not find it here.
     
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    Good show, old friend!
     
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    Glad you like it ! It's actually my favourite of all my 'Then & Nows'. It seems like yesterday but scary to think that it was in fact 2004........:(
     
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    Don't over look books from the (former) Soviets combatants who fought in the Great Patriotic War. While I realize that Soviet era publications can have the heavy hand of the censor in it (Vlassili Zaistev's book Stalingrad Sniper about sniping in Stalingrad overlooks that he shot Soviet women and children who were running erands like fetching water for the Germans) and must be approached with caution (Lyudmilia Pavlichenko's assertion in Lady Death she destroyed an entire German sniper platoon at a time when no such thing existed), or Dmitri Lvov's failure to mention his own Sherman tanks being shot out from underneath him (Fighting in the Red Army's Shermans), they are worth reading for a Soviet perspective. Pen & Sword (Barnsley, UK) has done an excellent job of publishing heretofore Soviet memoirs that were previously inaccessible to us. I've read of brave political commisars who led men when the regular officers fell Petr Mikhin's (Guns Against The Reich) and of some who refused to go to the front Boris Gorbachevsky's Through The Maelstrom. Boris Gorbachevsky's Through The Maelstrom is particularly good because Gorbachevsky wrote his book after emigrating to Estados Unidos (though he may have self-censored if loved ones remained within the clutches of the KGB).
     
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    Vlassili (sp) Grossman (Russian Jew) wrote an epic novel on Stalingrad. He was a Red Star reporter who covered Stalingrad during the Siege. It's supposed to be very good and a significant contribution to Soviet Era literature. Never read it (b/c it's a novel).
     

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