I found this on a site called "History House an irrevenent history magazine". I hadnt heard these stories before. Has anyone else? Other then that its a interesting site LOL. I especially like the airdrop story. It's Not All Black and White The list of Soviet failings was long and comprehensive. The troops wore olive drab or khaki uniforms, their tanks were painted black, and they carried heavy field stoves that sent thick plumes of black smoke visible for miles. Not a super idea for hiding in the snow. The Russian field manual for snow combat was probably written in the Mediterranean, because it had a passage on bayoneting on skis (this won't work for the same reason you can't bowl wearing rollerblades). While Finnish field doctors knew, for example, that morphine would freeze in the cold unless stored in the mouth or armpit, their Russian counterparts scratched their heads as their wounded howled in pain. So great were the casualties that hospitals in Leningrad filled to capacity early in the invasion; soon after, mile-long lengths of trains wound their way as far as Moscow, windows covered with curtains to hide curious passersby from the hideous sight of the frostbitten, the bleeding, the wounded and the dying. Trotter sums up the situation endured by the hapless Soviets: For many of the encircled Soviet troops, just staying alive, for one more hour or one more day, was an ordeal comparable to combat. Freezing hungry, crusted with their own filth (while the besieging Finns, a thousand meters away, might be enjoying a sauna-bath), for them the central forest was truly a snow-white hell... their despair was recorded in the thousands of never-mailed letters to home they had scrawled before dying, letters they had sealed, for lack of anything better, with bits of black bread that had been chewed to a paste and dabbed onto the paper like blobs of rubber cement. Who Could Hate Communists? The Russians just had an awful time. One captured Soviet colonel offered some more details during his interrogation: "I know that Stalin and Voroshilov are clever, sensible men and I can't understand how they were led to this idiotic war. What do we need cold, dark Finland for anyway?" He also talked about his time in the woods: ... Finns we couldn't see anywhere... When we sent our sentries out to take their positions around the camp, we knew that within minutes they would be dead with a bullet hole to the forehead or the throat slashed by a dagger... it was sheer madness... We Soviets thought we were respected by other countries because of our peace-loving ways, and the entire civilized world was behind us since we were the cradle of all free workers. Now we are hated and despised. You'd better bury all those soldiers before spring. Otherwise you'll have a plague. Please Leave a Bomb at the Tone Things were difficult. A division of Russian ground forces issued a communique so desperate it took on comic overtones: Please airdrop food and supplies, regardless of weather. Last drop did not include ammunition. Please air drop ammunition. Two days without bullets. Food and fodder all gone. Try to send some today. Why do you let us suffer without food and fodder? Please do something about it! Four aircraft did not drop any food at all. Generally we received too little food. The greater portion landed on the Finnish side. After hours with no response, they lamented, "Why don't you answer our messages?" Long ago the Finns had figured out the Russian radio signals and had their transports dropping supplies on Finnish positions. Of course, the Russians eventually got wise and dropped a "supply" of bombs. While we have made much of the Russians' difficulties, we should remind ourselves that the Finns were terribly short on ammunition, arms and other supplies -- many of their artillery pieces were from the nineteenth century. Even with these shortcomings, they managed to completely outmaneuver the Russians on nearly every front, including the art of gentlemanly war. Russian soldiers injured more seriously than Finns received medical care first in Finnish field hospitals, and captured Russians were always treated to hot meals, warm shelter and saunas. A Russian man who had hopped the Finnish border to buy some shoes for his wife was shanghaied by the Red Army and put into service without a shred of training. He was captured by the Finns, still toting his wife's shoes. "The Finns took pity on the wretch," Trotter writes, "gave him fresh socks, some cigarettes, and a turn in the sauna bath... he was retained at headquarters as a kind of mascot for the rest of the campaign." Finnished! One exceptionally burly Finnish sergeant held off two Russian tanks with a 9mm pistol. Another took a bullet to the lung, and smiled in front of his commanding officer, claiming it was far easier to breathe with this new hole in his chest. Finland's antitank forces endured a 70% mortality rate, but had no shortage of volunteers. However, this is not to say they were without their failings: Most of a division ran screaming from an armored car that happened to be Finnish, having mistaken it for a Russian tank. Trotter reports, "Most of the Fifth Division troops didn't stop running until they were back in line, where officers who had witnessed the debacle cursed and punched and in some cases threatened to shoot them." Engle and Paananen describe a platoon commander who went crazy during combat for the shortage of guns and ammunition: He burst into the command dugout, and started raving: "My wife is coming here with more machine guns. We're going to kill them all. Even the last one. My wife is coming with more machine guns." Then he turned into the open without his weapon or hat and screamed, "My wife is coming, my wife is coming, with more weapons!" A piece of red-hot shrapnel stuck him, and he was quiet. Burying the dead Burying the dead Nevertheless, Finland managed to inflict in between 230,000 and 270,000 fatalities plus 200,000-300,000 injuries on Russia, while losing 48,745 troops and enduring 159,000 other casualties during the campaign. It held on for as long as it could before succumbing on March 13, 1940, but only after a two-week-long bombing and artillery effort by Russia, which threw everything it had at poor Finland. Mannerheim's orders to his troops upon their surrender survive as a piece of inspired patriotism. While cleaning up, a Finnish officer muttered to a photojournalist, "The wolves will eat well this year." After the "victory", a Russian officer muttered, "Well, we've won just enough land to bury our dead." http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/winter_war/ --
Yes, Perhaps a bit of exaggeration here and there but I think you can see from the losses section without a doubt that someone did not know what he was doing, really. Naturally Stalin and the Red Army would have won if they would have continued the attack but I guess even Stalin was pretty sick with the losses. The total losses for the Red Army are considered over here as one million men with the KIA being the same number of ca. 250,000. "The miracle of Winter War" as we call it! At one point Stalin insisted that some big nation was arming Finland to fight back. In Finland the answer was " Yes, you are!"
And most importantly not to forget the lesson learnt! Stalin made changes to his army and through these managed to beat the German Blitzkrieg machine! A bit pricey but great book: Amazon.com: Stalin and the Soviet-Finnish War, 1939-1940 (Cass Series on the Soviet (Russian) Study of War): Books: E.n. Kulkov
The Winter War,Continuation War and the Lapland War are some of my favorite interests . Im always on the lookout for any lesser known info.
Well, Finland did have to capitulate in the end. Got some revenge in the Continuation War and then had to volte face for the Lapland War.
I tried earlier to find some decent pics to describe why the armies on both sides did not really have much chance to do "blitzkrieg" in Northern Finland area. Tanks are practically useless and big troop movements very difficult.I think these pics will tell you clearly why. luontokuvia26 - pallas-yllästunturin kansallispuisto elokuu 2007 palla-yllästunturi national park august 2007 luontokuvia26 - PYHÄ-NATTANEN ELOKUU 2007  * pyhä-nattanen fell AUGUST 2007 luontokuvia26 - olostunturi elokuu 2007
At one point Stalin insisted that some big nation was arming Finland to fight back. In Finland the answer was " Yes, you are!" Thank you comrade Stalin. If only you could see the photos. The Finnish Pz army was created by Soviet T-34´s and Klm-1´s. Without them we would have been beaten down like a child with a lollypop.
There were only narrow roads for the Soviets to attack. We destroyed the first and the last vehicle. After that it was just a question of time to destroy the rest. Child's play.
The Soviets called the Finnish snipers 'cuckoo's because they were in trees. Sorry not true. And the Soviets were glad Häyhä was not in battle, I bet
The worse I read was the Soviet rumor that the cuckoos "chained" themselvfes to trees. LOL. I've never found any substantiation to this fable.
