This division was elite and famous for it's participation in several famous battles - Caen, Normandy, Ardennes, Budapest, Vienna...but how accurate is some of the information out there? In Hubert Meyer's book "Kriegsgeschichte" Of the 12th SS, he says that after the Falaise gap closed, approximately 10,500 soldiers of the division were left alive. Contemporary American books dramatize that figure, saying "About 300" were left standing. Another myth that is out there is that the 12th SS fought at Belgorod in July and August 1943 (see wikipedia etry on battle of Belgorod!); Even Guy Sajer's classic book "Forgotten Soldier" mentions Hitler Youth boys fighting with him near the Gross Deutschland division's sector of the front. This cannot be correct! According to credible sources, we know that the 12th SS was not combat ready until the spring of 1944, regardless of the first recruits for the division being trained in Beverloo, Belgium during the spring/summer of 1943. Can any comment on what is going on? What do my fellow knowledgable forum members have to say about these discrepancies? My Opa was an Oberschuetze in the 5. Aufklarungs Abteilung/12, and I would like to learn a few facts in the sea of unsubstantiated rumors.