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505th Bomb Grp/Sqd emblem colors needed.....................

Discussion in 'Air War in the Pacific' started by Johnny Signor, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. Johnny Signor

    Johnny Signor Member

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    Seeking colors to the unit's emblems, all were Unofficial except one, I have a line drawing image of all of them and can e mail it to you , please drop me an PM with your e mail and I'll send them to you .

    I have tried all the online 505th BG sites with no luck , there should be records somewhere of the designs as someone had to have drawn them during WW2 as the image I have is from that era .

    I hope to hear from members, thank you very much and have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Johnny
     
  2. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

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    We've got some AF geniuses here, but I'm not one of them. :) I'm sure someone will be along soon who can offer some help with this.
     
  3. Biak

    Biak Adjutant

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    Is this what you're looking for? Info on the 482, 483 & 484 squadrons.

    This is the only squadron that apparently had an emblem.
    482nd bomber squadron 505th bG: On a gold disc wide border dark red brown, an aerial bomb in drawn bow, all of the last, pomting? toward dexter base surmounted my a side view of an Indian face, proper, with head band plait loop red brown, trimmed gold, holding two white feathers tipped and trimmed red brown in the headdress.

    page 479-580 on PDF from AFHRA

    http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090601-112.pdf

    main index
    Air Force Historical Research Agency - Numbered USAF Historical Studies 51-100
     
  4. Johnny Signor

    Johnny Signor Member

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    Hello Biak , thanks for posting these pages, but no what I'm looking for is totally different emblems and most likely will never find the colors , seeing as they were all "Unofficial" they weren't included in the Squadron/Group books done by the USAF , I have the Squadron book that you posted the pages here from .

    Thanks again , I'll keep looking
    Johnny
     
  5. Biak

    Biak Adjutant

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    Can you post the image of the patch here. Also you might try here;



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    (U) Combat Squadrons of the Air Force, World War II, edited by Maurer Maurer (Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1969). 841 pages.

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    Let us know and we'll join the search :)
     
  6. Johnny Signor

    Johnny Signor Member

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    I would have to "snail mail" them to someone of the forum that could load them as I don't know how to do this ..............................................
    Johnny
    I'll describe them here , probably won't help , but you never know ,
    The 505th BG emblem, a shield w/4 aerial bombs at top , the shield is divided into quarter sections , the lower left 'quarter" has some small device unsure of what,centered in the shield is a stylized 505 that look like a small letter "bob" at an angle top left to lower right ,a scroll with motto is below shield with the words "Aut Vinci Aut Mori" .
    The other "Squadrons emblems are as follows ,
    this one was also "nose art" on the B-29 called "Ball O" Fire, a round disc piped with a thin outer border, inside the frontal view of an aircraft that has a large skull for center/cockpit area and four outer smaller skulls for engines /two each wing,below large skull a falling aerial bomb and in a "X" pattern behind the aircraft are "bones".

    The next ones is a round disc w/thin outer border , inside a top view of a B-29 facing upward and there's multiples lines like a sunrise issusing from the bottom center.

    That's the ones I'm seeking and am thinking the could have been stateside designs that weren't carried overseas into combat, or if they were with them being for sure of "Unofficial" design , like a lot of emblems from that time they've been slowly lost to both memory and time and not recorded "Officially" ......................

    I hope this may help in getting something going on them , I do feel these were used although it may have been briefly , but am hoping someone can come across some old photos,notes etc about them ...........................
    Johnny
     
  7. PA.Dutchman

    PA.Dutchman recruit

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    This may be helpful it has all the Air Force Combat Units of WWII




    Air Force Combat Units of World War II

    http://aafcollection.info/items/detail. ... ated!dn!20

    A concise official record of Army Air Corps and US Army Air Forces combat groups active during World War II.

    There is no more complete and concise official USAAC document of USAAC combat units of WWII.

    Original item: Book

    Link: http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/do ... 21-044.pdf

    This item is located at another website, separate from the AAF Collection. Click the link above to view it. If necessary, follow the instructions at that website to locate and view the item.


    http://aafcollection.info/items/detail. ... ated!dn!20

    IT APPEARS TO HAVE NO INSIGNIA SEE THE LAST LINE.


    [SIZE=12pt]Constituted [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]as 505th Bombardment[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Group (Very Heavy) on [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]28 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Feb 1944.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Activated [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]on [/SIZE][SIZE=8pt]11 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Mar 1944. Equipped first[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]with B-17’s; later trained for overseas duty[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]with B-29’s. Moved to Tinian late in 1944.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Assigned to Twentieth AF. Entered combat[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]in Feb 1945 with strikes on Iwo Jima[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]and the Truk Islands. Then began daylight[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]missions against Japan, operating at[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]high altitude to bomb strategic objectives.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Received a DUC for a strike against the[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Nakajima aircraft factory at Ota in Feb[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]1945. Conducted incendiary raids on[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]area targets in Japan, carrying out these[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]at night and at low altitude.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Bombed in support of the Allied assault on[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Okinawa[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] in Apr [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1945. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Engaged in mining[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]operations against Japanese shipping,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]receiving second DUC for mining the[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Shimonoseki[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Strait[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] and harbors of the Inland[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Sea, Jun-Jul [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1945. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]After V-J Day,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]dropped supplies [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Allied prisoners, participated[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]in show-of-force missions, and[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]flew over Japan [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]evaluate bombardment[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]damage. Moved to the Philippine Islands[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]in Mar [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1946. [/SIZE][SIZE=11.5pt]Znactiuated [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]on Luzon on 30[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Jun [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1946.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]SQUADRONS[/SIZE][SIZE=11.5pt]4[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt].[/SIZE][SIZE=11.5pt]8 2d: [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1944-1946. [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]483d:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12.5pt]1944-1946. [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]484th [/SIZE]: [SIZE=12.5pt]1944-1946. 45th [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12.5pt]1944-[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]STATIONSD. alhart AAFld, Tex, [/SIZE][SIZE=8pt]11 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Mar[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12.5pt]1944; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Harvard AAFld, Neb, [/SIZE][SIZE=8.5pt]I [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Apr-6 Nov[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12.5pt]1944; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]North Field, Tinian, [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]19 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Dec [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1944-5[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Mar [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1946; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Clark Field, Luzon, [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]14 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Mar-30[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Jun [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1946.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]COMMANDERMSa.j George [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]D [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Roberts,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=13pt]15 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Apr [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1944; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Col[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Robert A Ping, 3 May[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12.5pt]1944; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Lt[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Col[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Charles M Eisenhart, [/SIZE][SIZE=8pt]I [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Jul[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12.5pt]1945; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Col[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] John P Kenny, [/SIZE][SIZE=11.5pt]c. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Sep [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1945-1946.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]CAMPAIGNSA.i r Offensive, Japan; Eastern[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Mandates; Western Pacific.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]DECORATIONDSi.s tinguished Unit Citations:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Ota[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], Japan, [/SIZE][SIZE=8pt]10 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Feb [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]1945; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Japan[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], [/SIZE][SIZE=12.5pt]17[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]Jun-1 Jul1g45.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=12pt]INSIGNE. None.[/SIZE]
     
  8. w003rapj

    w003rapj New Member

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    Dear Johnn Signor, found ur 2013 post re 505th emblem colors...

    My father was origional CO (Col Robt A Ping), and Im looking at an "official" tablecloth (TC), I think from the Groups 1983 reunion in Ft Walton Beach FL

    Anyway, annotating ur words in italics:

    "The 505th BG emblem, a (round) shield w/4 aerial bombs at top (inconsistently shown, eg not on TC, but present above shield inside the cover of the 75+ page 1983 reunion "report"--bombs "official" color unknown). The shield is divided into quarter sections (upper left in unsaturated red, upper right variously sky blue or medium blue, lower right black with portion of the "0" of 505/bob in white, lower right quarter Marine Corp yellow (MCY)). The lower left 'quarter' has some small device, unsure of what (variously appears as a bush or stunted tree--stunted tree in MCY on TC). Centered in the shield is a (very) stylized 505 (almost undecipherable, in black, but see below) that looks like a small letter "bob" (b's variously sat on a bottom or base that extended slightly to the left and to the right--on TC no bases--and b's each had a small dash affixed to top of each b forming a tiny "T"). at an angle (eg in italics), top left to lower right. A scroll (a u-shaped ribbon on TC, in MCY) with motto is below shield with the words 'Aut Vinci Aut Mori' (in black)". (The shield and ribbon are on a battleship gray field, with a thin circular border in MCY)

    Hope that helps
     
  9. Johnny Signor

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    Found it via a good friend who sent me an image he did from good sources ............. 505th Bombardment Group (3).jpg
     
  10. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana WW2|ORG Editor

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    You could also look at the images from when Enola Gay was display at the Smithsonian. Very photographed she was.
     
  11. mcoffee

    mcoffee Son-of-a-Gun(ner)

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    The Enola Gay is still on display at the NASM Dulles location, but she belonged to the 509th Composite Group.
     
  12. OpanaPointer

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    Oops.
     

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