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Aces on the Kingtiger?

Discussion in 'Tank Warfare of World War 2' started by Che_Guevara, Aug 6, 2005.

  1. Che_Guevara

    Che_Guevara New Member

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    Like SS-Hauptscharführer Karl Körner and SS-Untersturmführer Karl Brommann.


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    http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen10.htm


    Were there other aces on the king tiger?

    Regards,
    Che.
     
  2. m kenny

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    39 shells and 39 kills! No misses, no damaged tanks and no return fire.
    I think a bit of common sense should be used here.

    160:1 and the mighty KT still comes out on top?
     
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    Che_Guevara New Member

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    I wasn´t there in 1945, but i think they had a break and the crews waited outside their tanks??? May the tanks standed near by near, so the rest were
    hinder by the tanks in front of them ?? :-?

    Regards,
    Che.
     
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    What ALL of them?
    Come on you must know it is propoganda...............
     
  5. Che_Guevara

    Che_Guevara New Member

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    So achtungpanzer.com spreads propOganda ;)

    Regards,
    Che.
     
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    Not propoganda but unsourced crew CLAIMS as 'kills'
    There is not a shred of evidence to back this story.
    Hopw can one tank take on 160 and survive?
    Common sense please not blind belief in super-panzers.
     
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    Airsupport and luck :p ;)
     
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    lol
    but there was no air support.
    I sense a slight exaggeration in the numbers of tanks seen. ;)
     
  9. Che_Guevara

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    hhmmm, he wasn´t alone with his single king tiger :p

    Why does nobody believe me, eh? :cry:

    And friendly fire :D :D

    Cheers,
    Che. :smok:
     
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    Oh but we do believe you! We just don't believe the story! Thats different... :cool:
     
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    i am inclined to believe Che though. It is not surprising to note that since the crew were on their break,it would be a complete surprise. Wittman destroyed an entire armoured column by himself and a friend didn't he? Besides, he didn't KILL all 160 tanks,just 39 of them.i would imagine it all in a space of perhaps ten minutes with a really good crew?
     
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    1) Why didn't the remaining 121 tanks steamroll over him? Ok, so if there was burning fuel & ammo around then those in the immediate area would not, but an amount of tanks that large would mean that there would be plenty of tanks away from the confusion.

    2) 160 tanks would equal a whole lot of units - where are their supporting infantry artillery etc?

    3) 160 tanks cover a lot of ground, especially if they are surrounded by fuel & ammo wagons... were they all parked in nice neat ranks on a handy flat bit of land?

    4) 39 shots = 39 kills is a rather outstanding record, especially as the area would have a lot of smoke from all those burning fuel & ammo lorries. Was his gunner a former sniper? :D

    I would suggest that he came across about 20-50 tanks (at the very most) refuelling & re-arming, and blew up a few of their fuel & ammo lorries, causing confusion & panic (this event happened to a French tank unit in 1940 IIRC), and used that as cover to knock a couple of tanks out and then withdraw.
     
  13. Christian Ankerstjerne

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    Generally, you should divide German claims by two to get a number close to the truth. This doesn't take into account the exaggerations often made by the war corrospondants following someengagements, though.

    Wittmann's engagement at Villers Boccage has been largely exaggerated, and at the end of the battle for Villers Boccage, the losses were approximately even between the British and the German army.
     

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