Americans an the fight against the Nazis

For along time Ive noticed Americans say things such as if it wasnt for us you would be speaking German, we fought evil an won etc etc.
Theres nothing wrong with Patriotism an showing the Veterans their respect of course.

But I also cant see how Americans can view the Nazis in the same scope as a Jew or Slav due to the fact it wasnt Americans who were marked for extermination. It was only what 100 years before WWII an it was Americans exterminating Natives or Australians treating Aboriginals with utter contempt. Even the Russians under the Tsar an theyre wars against the Tatars, Kazakhs, Caucasians have a history of people just dissapearing. An thats not without even mentioning the Pogroms an massacres that have been carried out by the Russians against the Jews.

I guess im trying to say that if Germany did win the war then America/Canada an Australia perhaps might have ended up speaking German. There are more evil things in the world then speaking German.

This isnt a pro-Nazi thread more putting things into perspective but from an American (WASP) point of view we werent fighting the ultimate Evil. The Eastern front was home to the atrocities of WWII, Not France, Not Britian. Infact the only major massacre that springs to mind is the malmedy massacre an even that had nothing to do with indoctrination, more to do with young SS soldiers who were present during the Dresden bombings. Does anyone else feel that the war against the the Nazis is at times trumped up ?

 

No.

 

God no.

 

Definitely not.

And as for speaking German, well the Americans missed out on that great chance when they voted against it.

Regards
Kruska

 

Echoing others, God no. And the Americans didn't vote against German as our language, that is a myth. The truth is that we voted to NOT print the Constitution and other laws in German as well as English for distribution in Pennsylvania. That proposition failed by one vote, not adopting German as the language. At no time in its early history was the percentage of Germans in the United States ever higher than about ten percent, with most of that concentrated in one state; Pennsylvania.

Even in that state, at no time did the number of German-speaking inhabitants ever exceed one-third of the population. Any claim that German might have become the main language of Pennsylvania in the 1790s, when over 66 percent of the population spoke English, is absurd.

The Dresden bombing started on Feb. 14, 1945, and the Malmedy massacre took place two months before the bombing. That Malmedy incident was on December 17th 1944, hard to take "revenge" for something that hasn’t yet occurred isn’t it?

 

Hello brndirt1,

Yes you are correct,...pity another myth destroyed

However AFAIK it is nowhere written down that English is the official language of the USA - so there is still a chance for you guys

Regards
Kruska

 

Nope. I recommend researching more into the war and getting all of the facts straight. You will then see why we are answering no.

 

My vote. NO. I agree PzJgr.

 

NO!

Thanks for the info Clint, and keep smashing those myths.

 

good, now that we are all in agreeance please close this thread.......

 

I'll second that, we've had enough Nazi apologists to last a good while already.

 

I (myself) would allow the original poster to defend the stated position before it is closed. If "globius" cannot do so, then put the light "out".

Of course as a member (not a moderator) my opinion is only that, an opinion and as such "let's see where this goes".

 

Clint I think he gave his opinion as much as he wanted to

 

I don't think he's an apologist. I think he may have stated his case poorly. Not to covort with the enemy here, but I think what Globius was trying to say was that the western world wasn't fighting the most evil aspects of Nazism on its own turf. His particular point is the US, who was fighting to help others and the world on the whole, but the threat of Nazism and its crimes against humanity wasn't immediately apparent to the US in the event the Axis won.

However, I with the rest of you say no to the question: "Is the war against the Nazis trumped up." Mainly because the fact remains that evil was happening and each nation involved had a significant contribution to defeating that evil. Evil is not just evil only when it affects you - it is all encompassing and is a crime against all people of all races. As such it falls upon all people of all races to stop it immediately, for the betterment of mankind.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Semper Fi.

 

no & no again & no again

 

Eh, close it. Does not add to the forum

 

Close it.

 

Well let me change the initial forwardings into some other "provocative" question that is forwarded in Germany on many occasions.

Despite the Nazi's being rightfully condemed for their doings, especially on behalf of the US - at the same time the US is the biggest distributor, workshop (China slowly taking over) and collector basin for anything to do with Hitler and the Third Reich.

Nazi Flags, SS uniforms, medals, weapons, literature, Hitler pictures, SS reenactors anything you name it - whilst at the same time it is forbidden by law in Germany to display or even possess most of those items.

Regards
Kruska