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Anybody notice the similarities between the Zapruder video and Haakenson videos?

Discussion in 'Pearl Harbor' started by Dracula, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. Dracula

    Dracula Member

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    Both video's show the final moments of infamous acts. Both video's seem to present clear video evidence of what happened, but, when you start peeling away the layers, don't both raise more questions then they answer? And, in the final analysis, in spite of the video evidence presented by both video's, in spite of thousands of articles, book, and old and new technological investigations, historians will never know for sure what really happened that morning in Dealy Plaza, Dallas Texas, and at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

    Well, got to go to work.
     
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  3. Dracula

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    In the Arizona video, the foremast clearly lifts up and then drops into the smoke, yet the rear tripod doesn't sway at all. Why? There's no conspiracy theory, just looking for a reasonable answer.
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy WW2|ORG Editor

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    What videos are you talking about?
     
  5. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard

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    I know about the Zapruder film, what is the other one? (My google is exhausted).
     
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    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

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    Fixed that for you. ;)
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard

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    Thanks Tommy. I'm glad you cleared that up. :deadhorse:
     
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    Why?

    Be cause the magazine explosion destroyed several decks that were supporting the forward superstructure. The forward gun turrets themselves have dropped about two or three deck levels. The rest of the Arizona aft of the stack was relatively undamaged, although the mainmast does appear to quiver back and forth from the force of the explosion.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqYO9nT4MtU

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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy WW2|ORG Editor

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    What is the imagined theory about the loss of the Arizona? Bombs were planted in the ship? Limpet mines were attached the hull? A second shooter was hiding in the submarine yard?
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard

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    Was there a grassy knoll in Pearl Harbor? Or a man with an umbrella? If there was, maybe any mystery about PH can be laid to rest.
     
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    The grassy knoll was overlooking Pearl Harbor, not in it. That was were Takeo Yoshikawa was hidden with his laser illuminator(camouflaged as an umbrella). After all, the conspiracy theorists all know that the Japanese could not have been that accurate on their own, they needed laser guided bombs.

    Edit - forgot to add that FDR had given his special permission for Mr. Yoshikawa to be there.
     
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    KJ Jr Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's the late hour or the few drinks, but I am so flipping confused. Lol.
     
  13. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    for a ship that size its not only possible but probable that even a severe lift at the front wont effect the back (oh my beautiful nautical terms!)...the hull is not one piece of metal...it fractures at its weakest point (usually the centre)...rather than lift thousands of tonnes of metal, the metal simply shears under pressure leaving the aft wondering what happened...many torpedo hits are the same, depending where you are on the boat in reference to the hit depends on how much you feel it or just hear it...
     
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    Link didn't work, so I have deleted. :(
     
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    George Patton Canadian Refugee

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    No, no, no. You have it all wrong.

    You see, the Arizona was wanted by the mob, teamsters, CIA, Federal Reserve, Khruschev, Castro and LBJ. All parties agreed to set up a "hit", with different shooters on the grassy knoll, each window of the Hawaii School Book Depository and, for good measure, a few in the storm drains along the berth of the Arizona. In about 5 seconds the Arizona was hit by no fewer than 95 bullets fired from 43 different assasins. One lucky hit ignitied the magazine and up she went. Unwilling to reveal the truth, it was realized that the concurrent Japanese air attack was a convenient cover story.

    Now, the Kennedy hit. This was clearly the result of Kennedy's government emplacing an embargo on Japan. Enraged, Japan recalled to duty its best flight crew - the one credited with "sinking" the Arizona in the aforementioned cover story. Their deaths early in the Pacific War following the Pearl Harbor "attack" had been a clever ruse, in case they were needed in the future for a special operation such as this. They were tasked with eliminating the Kennedy Motorcade as it was passing through Dealy Plaza. Flying from a Japanese fleet of carriers stationed in the Gulf, and with all american radar systems inactive, the attack met with total surprise. Dropping one bomb, they scored a direct hit on Kennedy, mortally wounding him in the head. Embaressed by the attack and unable to retaliate for fear of losing access to the developing Japanese electronics industry, Lee Harvey Oswald was selected as a patsy, portrayed as the "lone gunman" and was later whacked by Jack Ruby to ensure that he didn't speak about what actually happened.

    There you have it. You can thank me later for revealing this top government secret.
     
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    If reckon it was the Texas oil barons...
     
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    I monitor a secret website that is only available to a few insiders that have sworn to overthrow the Illuminati. I can't even tell you the name of our organization because our leader, who goes by the title "Our Leader," will come out of his Mom's basement and pour something sticky on the keyboard of anyone who breaks the oath. Anyway, in the archives is a secret document revealed by a Spanish spy for the Japanese. He is known as "El Gordo" which is Spanish for The Gordo. The Gordo reveals that the "submarine" spotted outside Pearl Harbor on that fateful day was actually Godzilla, who subsequently entered the harbor and broke the Arizona. The authenticity of this document is unquestionable because Our Leader has personally met The Gordo in a clandestine meeting at a Taco Bell where over forty dollars changed hands. Our Leader was able to personally examine the document and then take a cell phone pic. It is signed by Hideki Tojo and stamped with the all-seeing eye of the Illuminati, so there you have it.
     
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    von Poop Waspish WW2|ORG Editor

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    The Lizards are not at all happy at you revealing their secrets, KB.
    Expect Squamata, with black helicopters and chainguns.

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  19. Dracula

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    As I posted before, the Zapruder and Arizona videos gave some clues as to what happened but they also opened up two cans of worms. With Zapruder,was there one shooter or multiple shooters, shot from the back or the front or both, and since Oswald never had the chance to defend himself in court, history will never really know what happened that day. But, assuming that there was just one shooter, the Zapruder video gave the investigators an accurate time frame of the assassination of JFK, which gave them a reasonable assumption of how many shoots had been fired, which, along with the forensic evidence, fleshed out a reasonable theory of the assassination of JFK. But, who knows.

    The Arizona video, like the Zapruder video, gave some clues such as the size of the blast seems to indicate that a forward magazine had been detonated, but no eyewitnesses, who would have been in position to see the bomb strike, survived the blast and there is virtually no forensic evidence to work with. Here comes the can of worms.
    Who came up with the official explanation of what happened and what evidence did they base it on?
    Why did the bomb have to hit on the starboard side of the forward turrets when there were just as many powder magazines on the port side?
    If a bomb did hit and penetrate through the armored deck and into the magazine, then why is there no blowback through the hole visible on the video?
    Why does the blast seem to originate below the superstructure and not the turrets and then blast forward?
    According to the booklet of Arizona plans, which is located on another thread on the Pearl Harbor forum, which power magazines where located nearest the superstructure, hint, its not the 14" magazines?
    Which magazines were the only ones sending live ammo to the guns, at the time of the explosion?
    Why did the secondary explosion blast through the upperdeck ,where you can still see the damage to this day,yet, the monster blast didn't take the upper deck off?
    Lucy, you got some splaining to do.
     
  20. lwd

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    I see a bunch of assumptions and insinuations and not much in the way of fact or analysis. Whey do you say for instance that no one in a position to see the bomb strike survived? It would have been possible to have seen that from some distance away. Then you say there was "virtually no forensic evidence" yet a survey of the damage was indeed performed. There's also Ensign Miller's report. It rather appears you have done little other than look at the films.
     

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