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Discussion in 'Advanced Squad Leader' started by clueless_newbie, Feb 19, 2009.

  1. clueless_newbie

    clueless_newbie Member

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    Are you familiar with the scenarios for Squad Leader and ASL? I thought those were really cool.

    Does anybody know where they got their information and how they put those things together?
    I mean after-action reports would be fine, except my German is pretty rusty and my Russian in non-existant.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    There are many US Army and other English language reports of combat actions. I have several publications by the US Army, printed in the 1950s, detailing small units actions on all theaters. They are rather dry reading but this are just one example of the available information used to design the scenerios.
     
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    clueless_newbie Member

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    Ah, too bad. I had hoped for something a little more interesting.:(

    I suppose I can hit the library and see what the other sources are like.

    Thanks!
     
  4. Kevin Kenneally

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    The developers for Squad Leader used several sources to "invent" the scenarios.

    One such source is "German Small Unit Actions". This book covers all types of units fighting during Operation Barbarossa and the final battles of Berlin.

    The SL scenarios are what drew me into reading about the fighting on the Eastern Front. Now I have MANY books about the Russian and German battles.
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I have that book. Not the easiest of reading.
     
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    Yeah, the translation from German to US English left a lot to be desired. But still enjoy reading it.

    Very good actions with the Infantry battles.
     
  7. Kevin Kenneally

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    There is a website that still supports Squad Leader.

    Has many scenarios for free download.

    Try here: Squad Leader Academy

    Enjoy
     
  8. Volga Boatman

    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    Ahhh...AVALON HILL....many happy memories.

    DOWN WITH HASBRO....their idea of a 'wargame' was Axis and Allies....what a ridiculous die rolling competition A&A really is.

    The computer geeks destroyed our hobby, or the 'moguls' of HASBLO that seemed to feel that AH and other manufacturers were "Too complex".....too complex for those idiots. They probably think "Monopoly" is a 'great' game, or that Chess is a wargame, which it isn't. Chess is a game based on COURT INTRIGUE to train the minds of the nobility to think ahead about their actions.

    HASBRO Company....turning the majority of our children into morons.
     
  9. Kevin Kenneally

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    I get the strange feeling you do not like Hasbro. I wonder why?
     
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    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    Hasbro completely destroyed my hobby of boardwargaming. We had much to be proud of, particularly the attention to historical detail shown by the designers and developers of most manufacturers.

    Hasbro came along and wiped it all out, for the benefit of their "commercialism". They bought the publishing rights to AH and then catagorically refused to do anything with them. Serving us up their version of what "intelligent" gaming ought to be....AXIS & ALLIES is now their "Star Attraction"....That game was about as interesting as "Yahtzee", and about as complex, and yet, they've managed to convince kids everywhere that its "historical"...

    The only thing historical about A&A is the general shape of the continents....the rest is a joke as far as we old gamers are concerned. Then they serve us up computer game after computer game based on the exact same programming template...it's either "first person shooter" or it's a "management" programme. They don't have the knowledge, the nouse or the love of history that the average wargamer did in the 70's and 80's...

    HASBRO....DUMBING DOWN an entire generation:mad:
     
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    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    If anyone at HASBRO should, by a million to one shot, be looking at this, my message to them is clear and concise...

    Hasbro execs wouldn't know a great game, or something historically relevant, if they fell over it.

    Stamping the AH logo on their sorry line of "games", designed by morons, for morons.

    Disgraceful B@$%@#$!
     
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    Mussolini Gaming Guru WW2|ORG Editor

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    Tell us how you really feel...:rolleyes:
     
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  13. Kevin Kenneally

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    Are you a lawyer? :rolleyes:

    Do you work for Hasborg? :confused: :eek:

    Just asking.... :p
     
  14. Kevin Kenneally

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    As for the Squad Leader scenarios, I have all the "Official" scenarios produced by Avalon Hill; purchased during the 1980s and early 1990s. There are over 360 Squad Leader scenarios available on different internet websites.

    I have over 2500 Advanced Squad Leader scenarios, with the list growing more every month when a new product is produced.

    I prefer to play Squad Leader, because I like to drink beer while I play. ASL takes a lot more concentration, but I still drink beer playing; not as much as when I play Squad Leader.
     
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    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    Musso has shares in Hasbro. He moderates part time for the Axis and allies website...


    Or am I wrong?
     
  16. TiredOldSoldier

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    I know I'm going agaist conventional wisdom but I believe Axis and Allies is a good simulation, while Squad Leader, and especially Advanced Squad Leader is not.

    A&A models fairly well the way the axis must make use of interior lines and temporary superiority before the combined weight of allied production overwhelms it.
    ASL sim value ends with initial setup, that does a beliavable simulation of actuall tactical planning, after that it's rule lawyers and dice (Though I admit it can be fun or I wouldn't have played it over 100 times like I did).

    A good wargame must first of all be fun, (the game part), then it must strike a balance between complexity and history (the simulation part), for me a capital crime is "breaking the mood" of the players by too easily allowing things that could never have happen, IMO nothing is truly impossible so allowing incredible things is you rol 12 consecutive sixes is OK though writing a rule for it is a waste of paper :D.

    I do enjoy games at all complexity levels, though things like SPI's "Campaign for North Africa" is NOT a game by my definition, my favorite is still Europa, the great research that went into the OOBs more than made up for the unsatisfactory air rules and simplistic CRT in the complexity vs history balance with the added benefit that the complexity did not weight on the player's but on the game producers.
     
  17. JeffinMNUSA

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    Hunting for old wargames...HI! My new mission is to search for old Avalon Hill and other wargames in my immediate area and to liberate these forgotten masterpieces from dusty old attics and the like. Nothing so far in my immediate area-but there were some last month I would have pounced on if I would have figured this angle out...
    HOW? Go to Craigslist in your area and click on "Garage Sales"...then type in "Avalon Hill games" and see if there are any hits. If not click on "Toys and Games" and see if anything connects there (though these would usually be dealers). Then try both in a plain old "war games" search... Here's a sample hit from NYC; http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/tag/3854380906.html probably a dealer, but the prices are reas. Time to start rebuilding that collection I sold when we moved but that I sorely miss now that I am retired.
     
  18. ptimms

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    Board gaming is far from dead and company's like GMT are still producing some excellent games. Their Fast action Bulge is excellent and the Combat Commander games are an excellent successor to Squad Leader.
     
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    Not as famous but you might also want to search for SPI games. I think GW put out some good wargames in that period as well.
     
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  20. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Spi I think were pretty big in UK area in eightees...lot of good games. As Belasar says..all hoovered up.
     
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