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Battle of Britian Without Churchill?

Discussion in 'What If - European Theater - Western Front & Atlan' started by Carl W Schwamberger, Dec 22, 2007.

  1. Carl W Schwamberger

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    Yes, tho he took the post imeadiatly if I recall correctly. Lord President of the Council was the position. He left the government due to illness in October and died 9 November 1940.
     
  2. Falcon Jun

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    Chamberlain was also involved in the SOE and worked hard for operations to thwart German's war campaign. Unfortunately, his spirit was apparently battered by what happened to his appeasement policy. His heath worsened and he eventually died on November 9, 1940, as Carl said.
    Carl, the guys at the British Council help out folks who want to learn more about the UK. My question was apparently not the usual kind of research they encounter.
     
  3. redcoat

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    Indeed. I should imagine that enquires about senior members of the Conservative party in the 35-40 period was a first :D ;)
     
  4. British-Empire

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    Part 1

    Halifax came within a whisker of becoming Prime Minister in May 1940; the job was his to refuse. The Tory Party, and the King both wanted him his place in House Lords was a barrier that could be removed.

    This scenario describes in my opinion what would have happened if Lord Halifax had accepted the post.
    It's quite short through lack of time to spend on it but I can flesh it out later.

    May 1940 -

    Lord Halifax becomes Prime Minister.
    Germany invades France.

    June 1940 -

    France and Britain declare an armistice with Germany.
    Italy who is eyeing Britain’s colonies also reluctantly agrees.

    July 1940 -

    Soviets take Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.


    Sept 1940 –

    National government returns to power under Lord Halifax with a much reduced majority.

    Oct 1940 -

    Italy invades Yugoslavia.
    Italy makes good progress in Northern Yugoslavia.

    Heavy fighting in Kosovo.
    Croatian divisions join the Italians.

    Nov 1940 –

    Croatia and Bosnia in Italian and Croatian hands.
    Half of Kosovo taken by the Italians.

    Dec 1940 –

    Hungary invades Yugoslavia.
    Yugoslavs forced to weaken southern front.

    Jan 1941 –

    North East Yugoslavia taken by the Hungarians.

    Feb 1941 -

    Bulgaria invades Macedonia.
    Yugoslavia surrenders.
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  5. British-Empire

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    Jan 1941 –

    North East Yugoslavia taken by the Hungarians.

    Feb 1941 -


    Bulgaria invades Macedonia.
    Yugoslavia surrenders.

    May 15th 1941 -

    The Axis powers attack the USSR.


    Aug 1941 –

    German naval operation in the North.
    German Marines take Murmansk.

    Sept 1941 -

    Axis push towards Moscow begins.

    October 1941 -


    Moscow surrounded.
    Battle of Moscow begins.

    600,000 Axis troops enter Moscow.

    Dec 1941 -


    Mussolini sends 250,000 Italians to engage in the Battle of Moscow.
    Soviet counter offensive begins.
    Japan attacks Pearl Harbour.
    Axis powers declare war on the USA.
    Axis forces just manage to hold against the Soviet counter attack in Moscow and keep a corridor to the city open.
    The Japanese invade the Philippines.

     
  6. British-Empire

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    Jan 1942 -
    Japanese invade the Dutch East Indies.
    Philippines taken by the Japanese.
    Axis troops hold two fifths of Moscow.
    The German and Italian U-Boats take a heavy toll on US merchant shipping.
    The German and Italian Fleets heads into the Atlantic but stays clear of the US coast with the exception of the U-boats.

    Feb 1942 -
    Soviet counter offensive begins to slow.
    Axis increase their hold on Moscow.

    March 1942 -
    Dutch East Indies completely taken by the Japanese.
    Axis forces hold against further Soviet counter attacks.

    April 1942 –
    Combined Italian and German Naval force takes Iceland.

    May 1942 -
    German summer offensive begins in the Ukraine and Crimea
    Japanese win the Battle of Midway destroying the US carriers and taking the Midway atoll.
    9 Japanese Carriers do battle with 4 US carriers.
    US carrier fleet wiped out.
    Japanese lose 3 Carriers.

    June 1942 -
    Germans begin a drive toward Stalingrad in the USSR.
    Japanese capture American Samoa.

    August 1942 -
    Japanese attack and capture Hawaii.
    Japanese ask the Americans to seek terms but they are refused.
    Fighting dies down in a wrecked Moscow with both sides still present in the rubble.

    Sept 1942 -
    Germans reach the Caspian Sea cutting off the Caucasus region.
    Turkey invades the Caucasus assisted by Axis troops.
    Iraq joins the Axis but it is occupied by British troops and a pro-British government installed.

    Oct 1942 -
    Caucasus now in Axis hands.
    Germans reach the Volga River.
    Japanese land troops in Alaska and capture Anchorage.
    Pressure on Canada to allow transit of US troops.
    Canada refuses.
    British Empire sends large numbers of troops to Canada to oppose any invasion or transgression by American or Japanese forces.

    Nov 1942 -
    West Banks or the Volga and most of the Don Rivers now in Axis hands.
    Stalingrad completely surrounded by Axis forces who under Hitler’s orders do not enter as he does not want another Moscow.
    Soviet counter offensive begins.

    Dec 1942 -
    Soviets break across the Volga North of Stalingrad.
    British become outraged at the growing German presence in Iran and begin to mobilise large forces in the region.
    Large British fleet assembles off Iranian coast.
     
  7. 4th wilts

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    my nan,an eastender,disliked churchill,said he was a p#ss artist.in her opinion bevan was held in higher regard by most people,and indeed carried a lot of power too,cheers.
     
  8. British-Empire

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    Well the Eastend was a Labour stronghold and also a Fascist one before the war started.
     
  9. 4th wilts

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    rubbish,there were bloody riots when those blackshirts were marching,my nan can remember blood on the streets in bethnal green and hackney.when the nazi lot marched in jewish neighbourhoods,it was even worse,men joined in from all over the eastend to in my nans words...give them a good hiding.she remembers terrible fighting when those b#st#rds were marching.
     
  10. Englishman

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    The BUF claimed 50,000 members at one point and the support of the Daily Mail.
    In the County council elections in 1937 in the East end the party took around a quater of the vote in Bethnal Green, Shoreditch and Limehouse.
    Mosley also held 100,000-200,000 strong rallies in East London at the time.
    As for the main riot the Battle of Cable Street that was fought out between the police and various Communists and Socialists bused in from all over the place.
     
  11. 4th wilts

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    Hey,i was not there,but my nan was,and i thiink i will take her word for it,being an eyewitness and all,cheers.
     
  12. redcoat

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    But they didn't manage to get a single seat in Parliament ;)
     
  13. British-Empire

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    They didnt contest the General Election.
    They didnt contest many elections at all in fact.
     
  14. redcoat

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    Indeed, they couldn't afford to.
    By the time of the 1935 General Election they had lost the support of most of their financial backers, including the Daily Mail.
    Their thuggish habits had driven them away ;)
     

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