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  1. Mahross

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    IMHO the Hawker Typhoon closely followed by the Sturmovik. Both excellent weapons platform which fulfilled both the Close Air Support and Battlefield Air Interdiction roles superbly.

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    Hawker Typhoon

    It is an accepted maxim for successful aircraft development that future requirements should always be the principal concern of the chief designer and his project design team. The company which allows itself to become wholly preoccupied with the development of an established design may produce, as a result, an outstanding aeroplane, but the policy is a shortsighted one if no new prototype is following to consolidate this success. Thus, the fact that Sydney Camm, Hawker Aircraft's chief designer, was at work on a new fighter as a potential replacement for the Hurricane as early as 1937, when the first production aircraft of that type had still to fly, reflected no lack of confidence in the Hurricane's potentialities but the natural desire to ensure that its service successor would be a product of the same stable.

    This massive new fighter, the heaviest and most powerful single-seat single-engined warplane envisaged at the time of its design, was to suffer a long gestatory period. It was to be pressed into operational service before it was fully developed and, in consequence, acquire a worse reputation among its pilots than that of any fighter preceding it. It was fated to be rarely employed in the interceptor role for which it was originally conceived. Yet, despite its vicissitudes, it was to blossom into one of the most formidable weapons evolved during the Second World War; a close-support fighter that was to turn the scales in many land battles and upset many conceptions of land warfare.

    In January 1938, barely two months after the debut of the first production Hurricane Hawker Aircraft received details of specification F.18/37, calling for a large single-seat fighter offering a performance at least 20 per cent higher than that of the Hurricane and achieving this with the aid of one of two 24-cylinder engines in the 2,000 h.p. class then under development --the Napier Sabre "H" type and the Rolls-Royce Vulture "X" type. Sydney Camm had commenced investigating the possibilities of just such a fighter in March 1937, and had already roughed out a design built around the Napier Sabre engine and housing twelve 0.303-in. Browning guns with 400 r.p.g. in its 40-foot wings. At the proposal of the Air Ministry, Camm also prepared studies for an alternative version of his fighter powered by the Rolls-Royce Vulture engine, and increased the ammunition capacity of both machines to 500 r.p.g.

    Further discussions over military loads and equipment followed, and revised tenders were submitted to Throughout 1938 the Air Ministry at the beginning of 1938 for both the Type " N " and the Type " R ", as the alternative Sabre and Vulture powered fighters had become known. These tenders were formally accepted on April 22, 1938, and four months later, on August 30, two prototypes of each fighter were ordered. Structurally both types were similar: the wings were all-metal, the front fuselage was of steel tubing, and the aft section consisted of a stressed-skin, flush-riveted monocoque--the first Hawker designs to employ this form of construction. Uniformity between the two fighters was, in fact, achieved to a remarkable degree, but the designs did differ in one important respect initially--the Vulture -powered fighter made use of a ventral radiator while the Sabre- driven machine had one of "chin" type.

    Construction of the two massive fighters proceeded in parallel, and work progressed simultaneously on the preparation of production drawings. As a result of the slightly more advanced development status of the Vulture engine which had been designed along more conventional lines than the Sabre, the Type " R " was the first of the two fighters into the air, flying in October 1939. Named appropriately enough Tornado, the initial flight trials of the prototype were promising, and a production order for 1,000 Tornados was placed at the beginning of November, it being proposed that the new fighter should be built both by Hawker and by A. V. Roe at Woodford. However, the flight test program soon began to run into trouble. Compressibility effects, about which little was known at that time, began to manifest themselves, and it was decided that the ventral radiator bath was unsuitable for the speeds approaching 400 m.p.h. that were being achieved for the first time. The radiator was, therefore, moved forward to the nose, a position already selected for that of the Type " N ", by now dubbed Typhoon; but the first prototype Tornado (P5219) only flew long enough to indicate the beneficial results of the change before it was totally destroyed.

    Meanwhile, on December 30, 1939, the first Napier Sabre engine had been delivered to Hawker Aircraft, and the first prototype Typhoon (P5212) emerged from the experimental shop to fly on February 24, 1940. It too became the subject of a quantity production order which, it was planned, should become the responsibility of Gloster Aircraft, whose assembly lines were emptying of Gladiator biplanes and whose design office was already immersed in the development of the Gloster Meteor , the first British turbojet-driven aircraft. Although, like those of the Tornado, the first flights of the Typhoon prototype indicated a promising fighter, the machine proving relatively easy to fly at high speeds, its low speed qualities left much to be desired, and it had a marked tendency to swing to starboard during take-off. The "X" form of the Tornado's Vulture engine had not permitted installation above the front spar as was the Typhoon's Sabre and, in consequence, the overall length of the former was 32 ft. 6 in. as compared with the 31 ft. 10 in. of the latter. Owing to the size and weight of the Sabre and the need to preserve c.g. balance, the Typhoon's engine was fitted so close to the leading edge of the wing that severe vibration was experienced as the slipstream buffeted the thick wing roots. On an early test flight the stressed-skin covering began to tear away from its rivets, and the Typhoon's pilot, Philip G. Lucas, only just succeeded in bringing the prototype in to a landing.

    Apart from structural teething troubles, the Sabre engine, although a compact and exquisite power plant, called for a considerable amount of development, and it was perhaps fortunate for the future of the Typhoon that, in May 1940, the grave war situation led to the cancellation of all priority for Typhoon and Tornado development in order to allow every effort to be put into the production of sorely needed Hurricanes. Design development was allowed to continue, however, and during 1940 three alternative engine installations were proposed for the Tornado--the Fairey Monarch, the Wright Duplex Cyclone , and the Bristol Centaurus--and experimental drawings for the Centaurus installation were completed. Development on the Typhoon included the design of a modified wing containing two 20-mm. Hispano cannon in place of the six 0.303-in. Brownings, the construction of an experimental set of wings containing a total of six cannon, and the initiation of a design study of a Typhoon variant with thinner wings of reduced area and lower profile drag. This latter study was later to arouse interest at the Air Ministry and eventually result in the Tempest. However, by October 1940 enthusiasm had been revived and production of the Tornado and Typhoon reinstated, production deliveries of both being scheduled for the following year.

    The Tornado weighed 8,200 lb. empty and 10,580 lb. loaded. Its maximum speed was 425 m.p.h. at 23,000 feet. A. V. Roe had prepared a production line at Woodford, and the first production Tornado (R7936) was delivered early in 1941. But this was fated to be the only production Tornado, for difficulties with the Vulture resulted in the decision to remove this power plant from the aero-engine development program, this decision also canceling production of the Tornado. However, in February 1941, Hawker's received a contract to convert a Tornado to take a Bristol Centaurus radial engine. Among the modifications required were a new center fuselage and engine mounting. The new prototype (HG641) was assembled from Tornado production components and flown for the first time on October 23, 1941. The first Centaurus installation had an exhaust collector ring forward of the engine from which a single external exhaust stack pipe led back under the root of the port wing. This arrangement soon proved unsatisfactory, so the oil-cooler duct was enlarged and led forward to the nose, while twin exhaust pipes led back from the front collector ring through this fairing to eject under the belly of the fuselage. A level speed of 421 m.p.h. was attained with the Centaurus-Tornado, and this was slightly higher than that attainable by the Sabre-powered Typhoon, but the Typhoon airframe could not be adapted to take the radial engine. The second prototype Tornado (P5224) had, in the meantime, been completed, and the sole production Tornado (R7936) later played a useful role as a test-bed for deHavilland and Rotol contraprops.

    The first production Typhoon IA (R7082) with the 2,200 h.p. Sabre IIA engine was completed by Gloster and flown on May 26, 1941. Production of this version, with its twelve Browning guns, was in limited quantity, and those built were used principally for the development of operational techniques. But the cannon-armed Typhoon IB was following closely on the heels of the Mark IA, and the Air Ministry was pressing for its rapid service introduction to counter the new Focke-Wulf Fw 190. Nos. 56 and 609 Squadrons based at Duxford began to receive their Typhoons in September 1941, before the fighter was fully developed, and these squadrons were forced to take on part of the onus of unearthing the new machine's numerous faults.

    The decision to use the Typhoon before it was adequately developed for operational use was ultimately justified by the results, but the price of its premature introduction was high. In the first nine months of its service life far more Typhoons were lost through structural or engine troubles than were lost in combat, and between July and September 1942 it was estimated that at least one Typhoon failed to return from each sortie owing to one or other of its defects. Trouble was experienced in power dives--a structural failure in the tail assembly sometimes resulted in this component parting company with the rest of the airframe. In fact, during the Dieppe operations in August 1942, when the first official mention of the Typhoon was made, fighters of this type bounced a formation of Fw 190s south of Le Treport, diving out of the sun and damaging three of the German fighters, but two of the Typhoons did not pull out of their dive owing to structural failures in their tail assemblies.

    Despite this inauspicious start to its service career and the unenviable reputation that the Typhoon had gained, operations continued and the accident rate declined as the engine teething troubles were eradicated, although the tail failures took longer to solve, despite immediate strengthening and stiffening as soon as the trouble manifested itself. In November 1942 No. 609 Squadron, led by Wing Commander Roland Beamont, was moved to Manston in an attempt to combat the near-daily tip-and-run raids which were being made by Fw 190s and could rarely be intercepted by Spitfires. The Typhoon enjoyed almost immediate success. The first two Messerschmitt Me 210 fighter bombers to be destroyed over the British Isles fell to the guns of Typhoons, and during the last comparatively ambitious daylight raid by the Luftwaffe on London, on January 20, 1943, five Fw 190s were destroyed by Typhoons.

    On November 17, 1942, Wing-Commander Beaumont had flown a Typhoon on its first night intrusion over Occupied France and, subsequently, the fighter was employed increasingly for offensive duties, strafing enemy airfields, ships and railway transport. The success of the Typhoon in the ground-attack role led to trials with two 250-lb. or two 500-lb. bombs which were carried on underwing racks. This load was later increased to two l,000-lb. bombs, but the Typhoon was not to find its true element until it was adapted to carry airborne rocket projectiles--four under each wing. By D-Day, in June 1944, the R.A.F. had twenty-six operational squadrons of Typhoon IBs. Without its underwing load the Typhoon IB weighed 11,300 Ib.; and with two 500-lb. bombs and the necessary racks, 12,400 Ib. Maximum speed was 398 m.p.h. at 8,500 feet and 417 m.p.h. at 20,500 feet, and an altitude of 20,000 feet could be attained in 7.6 minutes. Between the prototype and production stages several design changes had been made. These included the re-design of the fin and rudder, the redisposition of the wheel fairings and the introduction of a clear-view fairing behind the cockpit. On the first few Typhoon IAs the solid rear fairing was retained; later a transparent fairing was fitted, but this was abandoned in favor of the first sliding " bubble " hood to be used by an operational fighter.

    The Typhoon IB, by now affectionately known as the "Tiffy", distinguished itself particularly in the Battle of Normandy, where it decimated a large concentration of armor ahead of Avranches, disposing of no fewer than 137 tanks, and opening the way for the liberation of France and Belgium. For use in the tactical reconnaissance role, the Typhoon F.R.IB was developed early in 1945. In this version the two inboard cannon were removed and three F.24 cameras were carried in their place. One Typhoon was also converted as a prototype night fighter, with A.I. equipment, special night-flying cockpit and other modifications. Production of the Typhoon, which was entirely the responsibility of Gloster Aircraft, totaled 3,330 machines.

    Work had been going on in the Hawker design office since 1940 on the development of a new thin wing section. It had already been established that the N.A.C.A.22-series wing section employed by the Typhoon was entirely satisfactory at speeds in the vicinity of 400 m.p.h. but encountered compressibility effects at higher speeds. In dives approaching 500 m.p.h. a very sudden and sharp increase in drag was experienced, accompanied by a change in the aerodynamic characteristics of the fighter, which affected the pitching moment and rendered the machine nose heavy. No actual design work on the new wing was begun until September 1941, and the wing section eventually adopted for development had its point of maximum thickness at 37.5% of the chord. The thickness/cord ratio was 14.5% at the root and 10% at the tip, giving a wing five inches thinner at the root than that of the Typhoon.

    This thin wing could not contain a comparable quantity of fuel to that housed by the Typhoon's wing, so a large fuselage tank had to be adopted. This necessitated the introduction of an additional fuselage bay, increasing the overall length by twenty-one inches forward of the c.g. This added length found its inevitable compensation after initial prototype trials in a larger fin and tailplane. The wing area was also increased, and an elliptical planform was adopted, presenting a chord sufficient to permit the four 20-mm. Hispano cannon to be almost completely buried in the wing. All these modifications added up to a radically changed Typhoon, but it was as the Typhoon II that two prototypes were ordered in November 1941. However, in the middle of the following year the name Tempest was adopted. Alternative installations of the Sabre engine were designed for these prototypes; the first (HM595) had a Sabre II and a front radiator similar to that of the standard Typhoon, while the second (HM599) had a Sabre IV engine and wing leading-edge radiators.

    Piloted by Philip Lucas, the first prototype Tempest was flown on September 2, 1942, but prior to this, in February 1942, a production order had been placed and the first production machine flew in June 1943 with Bill Humble at the controls. During flight trials the first Tempest prototype had exceeded 477 m.p.h. in level flight, and the first production model was essentially similar to the first prototype with the chin-type radiator. This was designated Tempest V, and the initial production batch, the Series I, had Mk. II cannon which projected slightly ahead of the wing leading edge, but the Series II had the short-barrelled Mk. V cannon which did not project, and also featured a detachable rear fuselage, small-diameter wheels and a rudder spring tab. Powered by a 2,420 h.p. Sabre IIB engine, the Tempest V attained a maximum speed of 435 m.p.h. at 17,000 feet. The 820-mile range of the Tempest V in clean condition was an appreciable improvement over that of the Typhoon, and was due not only to the small additional quantity of fuel carried but to the aerodynamic refinement of the later machine which permitted a higher cruising speed for the same power.

    The first squadrons to be equipped with Tempest Vs were Nos. 3 and 486 at Newchurch, Dungeness, the first of these receiving its equipment early in 1944. By May five Tempest Vs had been lost due to engine failure, and this was discovered to be due to an over speeding of the propellers, resulting in an uncontrollable increase in engine revolutions, the failure of the bearings and the collapse of the oil system. In June modified propellers were fitted which solved the problem, and two days after the invasion of the Continent, on June 8, 1944, the Tempests met enemy aircraft in combat for the first time, destroying three Bf 109G fighters without loss to themselves. On June 13 the first V1 flying bombs were launched against England, and the Tempest, being the fastest low-medium altitude fighter in service with the R.A.F., became the mainstay of Britain's fighter defense against the pilotless missiles, destroying 638 of these weapons by the beginning of September. The Tempest V was also employed on the Continent for train-busting and ground-attack duties.

    Meanwhile the second prototype (HM599), designated Tempest I, had proved sufficiently promising for production plans to be initiated. In the light of experience gained with the Centaurus-powered Tornado and the suitability of the Tempest fuselage for the radial engine, a Centaurus version of the Tempest was also initiated as the Mark II, and production drawings were prepared in parallel with those of the Mark I. In the event, the Tempest I was later abandoned while the Mark II was allowed to proceed to the production stage following the successful flight trials with the prototype, LA602, which commenced on June 28, 1943. The first production Tempest II flew fifteen months later, but the first unit, No. 54 Squadron, was not equipped with this fighter until November 1945, and was thus too late to participate in the war. The Tempest II was powered by the 2,500 h.p. Bristol Centaurus V or VI eighteen-cylinder, air-cooled, two-row radial, and attained a maximum speed of 440 m.p.h. at 15,900 feet and 406 m.p.h. at sea-level. Its range on internal fuel was 775 miles and initial climb rate was 4,520 ft./min.

    Schemes for the utilization of the Griffon IIB and the Griffon 61 engines accounted respectively for the Tempest III and Tempest IV designations, neither passing the project stage. Nor did an alternative armament proposal based on the use of 0.5-in. machine-guns. The final Tempest variant was the Mark VI, which, appearing in 1945, was powered by the 2,700 h. p. Sabre VA engine and, except in having small intake ducts in the wing roots, was outwardly indistinguishable from the Tempest V. By and large, both the Typhoon and Tempest escaped the fate of so many aeroplanes of being used as test-beds for a variety of experiments. The Typhoon was designed in a naval fighter variant to meet the requirements of specification N.11/40, and one prototype was converted to this standard under the Hawker project designation P.1009. Another Typhoon modification, the P.1010, was to have had leading-edge radiators and a turbo blower, but work on this was not proceeded with.

    As part of their engine development program, Napier's designed an annular cowling for the Sabre to replace the familiar chin-type radiator bath. The first such installation was on a Typhoon IB (R8694), but most of the development was undertaken with a Tempest V (NV768) which flew with several different types of annular radiator and hollow spinner. Another experimental Tempest V (SN354) had a 40-mm. gun under each wing in a long fairing.

    As the Typhoon's immaturity faded it achieved widespread acclaim as a "rocketeer", being transformed from a fighter of dubious reliability into one of the Allies' most potent weapons. Likewise, its progressive development, the Tempest, gained for itself a place in the history of the air war for its part in reducing the depredations of the V1 flying bombs against England.

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  2. T. A. Gardner

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    I personally think that the F4U Corsair would be a very serious contender in this role. It could carry just as heavy a load as a Typhoon, was just as fast and could be used from a carrier. And, it has performance to match!
    There's versatility even a Typhoon couldn't touch.
     
  3. Erich

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    Ross :

    Il-2 as a (fighter)-bomber ?

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  4. TheRedBaron

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    I dont think the Typhoon was a fighter!

    I think perhaps the term ground-attack would be a better terminolgy, as 'fighter-bomber' implies that the aircraft could function in a dual role, and I dont think the Typhoon or the Sturmovik could be seen as serious contenders for Fighter planes. They were both excellent ground attack aircraft but I am dubious as to their dogfight capabilities. Wasnt the Typhoon ok at low levels but a bit of drag at higher altitudes?

    What about the P-47 Thunderbolt? Been reading a bit on this little birdy lately and it seems a rather undervalued aircraft.

    But what do I know! I'm a tank man... :D :eek: :D
     
  5. TA152

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    FW-190-A was good at the fighter-bomber role on the eastern front.
    I have to agree with Erich. The Sturmovik was a ground attack aircraft only. But a very good one.
    The Hurricane was used in the fighter-bomber role alot in the desert, along with the P-40.
     
  6. Martin Bull

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    This is tricky, as has been mentioned above - both IL-2 and Typhoon were excellent in the ground-attack role, they didn't really feature at all as pure fighters.

    I'd say probably the Fw 190A series as combining both roles most effectively.
     
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    I`d go for FW 190 as well on this one.

    BTW, how good a bomber the Me-262 was after they had settled the strategy on closing in on the target??
     
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    Information about Me262 ground-attack operations isn't easy to find.

    The aircraft could only carry 2 x 500kg bombs and was used by KG51 against airfields and bridges. This was at an early stage of the 262s development and limited numbers of aircraft were available. The 30mm MK108 cannon were not suited to ground attack due to the low velocity of the weapon. The underwing rockets used at the very end of the war against bombers could possibly have been adapted for ground attack, but by then, it was too late.....

    The 262 as it existed at the time was neither a great fighter or bomber - it was a formidable bomber-destroyer. Given time and development, who knows ?

    What do you reckon, Erich...? ;)
     
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    They weren´t that good at Remagen but then again they were facing quite heavy flak and allied fighter cover, I think.

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    Fw 190A as a bomber killer and the F and G variants as ground attack.

    Me 262A-1a as a ground attack with the R4M with the Panzerschreck conversion head kit. Deadly against Soviet MT and armor the last 3 months of the war via JG 7.

    would have to agree that the P-47 was an excellent weapons platform and the US 9th AF used it to great effectiveness.........

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    Wash my mouth out with soap !! :eek:

    I clean forgot the Thunderbolt..... [​IMG]
     
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    Here is an article regarding this topic. I would tend to lean towards heavy cannon armed fighter bombers. 262. Tempest has 4 20's & was real fast. 47 took a knockin & kept on rockin. Hmm have to think about it more. Agree IL 2 was not "fighter" bomber. Tempest or 262.


    Laurent is right: the Jabos were not as efficient as they claimed, even in Normandy.

    The lightly armored Allied fighter-bombers, the Typhoons and P-47s actually did a comparatively little damage against German armor.

    Due to “Flying Guns: World War 2” by Anthony G. Williams and Emmanuel Gustin, “a British War Office analysis of 223 Panther tanks destroyed in 1944 revealed that only fourteen resulted from air attack (eleven to RPs and three to aircraft cannon). During the Mortain battle of 7-10 August, the RAF and USAAF launched sustained attacks on a German armoured column over a period of six hours, claiming 252 German tanks destroyed or damaged in nearly 500 sorties. It was subsequently discovered that there had only been a total of 177 tanks or tank destroyers deployed by the Germans and just 46 of those were lost, of which only nine could be attributed to air attack (seven to RPs and two to bombs).”

    Williams and Gustin refer to the famous OR Report No 4 "Air Attacks on Enemy Tanks and Motor Transport in the Mortain Area, August 1944.” A comparison of that meager result -- nine tanks or tank destroyers destroyed through the commitment by 500 fighter-bombers -- with the Allied fighter-bomber losses is quite telling: the 9th AF lost 27 P-47s on 7 - 10 August. I’m not sure if I have a complete list of the 2 TAF losses, but at least 15 of its Typhoons were lost during the same period. 42 fighter-bomber losses against only seven or nine tanks destroyed -- when the German tanks were the prime target -- must be considered a weak result.


    “Flying Guns: World War 2” continues:

    “During the German retreat from the Falaise pocket later in August, the RAF and USAAF claimed 391 armoured vehicles destroyed. Shortly afterwards, the battlefield was examined and only 133 armoured vehicles of all types were found, of which just 33 had been the victim of any sort of air attack.”

    More from the same source:

    “In the retreat to the Seine, large numbers of armoured vehicles were left behind and Typhoon pilots alone claimed 222 destroyed, but only thirteen out of 388 AFVs examined were found to have been knocked out by RP attack.”

    Furthermore:

    “In the Ardennes salient, just seven out of 101 knocked-out AFVs were definitely or possibly attributed to air attack, compared with claims for 90. It should be noted that in the prevailing circumstances of a continuing retreat, there was no question of the German Army having recovered any damaged tanks in these later actions, in fact the battlefields were often littered with undamaged tanks abandoned by their crews.”

    Williams and Gustin makes this summary:

    ”One source estimates that probably no more than about 100 tanks were lost due to hits from air weapons during the entire Normandy campaign. In contrast, the RAF's 2nd TAF (including elements of the Air Defence of Britain which took part in the campaign) and the USAAF's 9th Air Force lost over 1,700 aircraft between them."

    One of the main reasons to this meager showing by the Allied fighter-bombers is that the pilots of the lightly armored Typhoons and P-47s rarely made more than one pass, and then tried to get away from the AAA fire as quickly as possible. This did not enable them to locate their targets suffciently, and it did not either enable them to finish off a damaged target through follow-up attacks. And still they suffered some severe losses to AAA.

    Now let’s listen to the other side:

    General Wolfgang Pickert, who led the III Flak Korps, reported that in "fighter-bomber weather . . . the movement of large vehicles during the hours of daylight was practically tantamount to their certain loss." But when light antiaircraft forces were present in sufficient strength, "fighter-bombers had hardly any successes, or only with heavy losses."

    The Allies clearly suffered from the lack of a heavily armored ground-attack aircraft able to remain on the scene long enough to inflict considerable damage on the enemy. The Soviets had one such aircraft, the Il-2. Due to its strong armor shield, the Soviet Il-2 could attack its target until it was destroyed or the aircraft ran out of ammo. Ground fire usually was ineffective against the heavily armored Il-2s on their first pass. Due to German reports, the Il-2 was one of the most difficult enemy aircraft to shoot down, being more or less immune to 20 mm Flak. (But when the plane kept coming back until the target was destroyed, then it would become the target for the 88 mm and even field guns like the LFH 105mm, and that is the main reason why the Il-2 units sustained heavier losses than any other Soviet air units.)

    The unremitting pressure from the air as testified by German troops at Normandy must be credited mainly to the absolutely unsurpassed amount of Allied aircraft which were mounted in the Normandy skies -- and the overwhelming numerical superiority which they enjoyed in the air. In fact, the Allied air forces operating over Normandy carried out almost 200,000 combat sorties during the period 6 June - 31 July 1944 alone. (The daily average was around 3,800 Allied and only 550 German aircraft sorties.) That total is almost five times higher than the number of Luftwaffe sorties during the months August and September 1940 during the Battle of Britain.


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  13. Erich

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    a couple of notes if I may.

    # 1 many of the WEhrmacht blew their vehicles sky high upon retreat........these of course are claims by RAF and US 9th AF jabo's.

    # 2 with the advent of the HEI minengeschoss rounds in 2cm any and all Soviet/US a/c were sitting ducks whether by aerial cannon or by 2cm Fla rounds...........

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  14. T. A. Gardner

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    I would still contend that the F4U Corsair deserves serious consideration as a contender in this title race. After all, it outlived all of the above (Typhoon, Thunderbolt, IL 2, etc.) in frontline service as a fighter bomber seeing action well into the 1950's.
     
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    I agree with you TAG the Corsair was good but in WWII I think it was used mostly as an air to air fighter by the Marines and it did not get into the air to ground stuff until the Korean war. I know the Marines did use it some for dropping bombs and straffing in WWII but again not like it was used in Korea.
    The Corsair also had the bonus over the other aircraft listed in the posts above in that it could operate off carriers and land bases.
     
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    The first Corsair fighter-bomber design was the F4U-1D. Originally, it was supposed to carry 2 100 lb bombs on the inboard wing racks. Brewster aircraft devised a 1000 lb centerline rack in early '44 for this aircraft.
    The first F4U-1D was completed on 4/22/44.
    By mid-44 F4U's were regularly being used as ground attack aircraft. Typically, the bombload (regardless of what the manufacturer's specs were) was 1000 lbs of bombs (2 x 500lb). One F4U-1D was flown in a mission against Wotje Atoll by Charles Lindburgh (supposedly just a 'tech rep' for United Aircraft) carrying a 4000 lb bombload.
    The first official dive bombing mission flown by an F4U was in March 44 by VMF-111.
    The F4U-4 added mounting points for zero-length rocket launch stubs on the wings in late 1944. At Okinawa F4U's were used primarily as ground attack aircraft in support of Marines ashore; as most Corsair squadrons were Marine operated. There Corsairs dropped 152,000 gallons of napalm alone.
    The F4U-4N night fighter version started operations with VF(N)-75 out of Munda in mid-44 as well. By the end of the year VF(N)-101 was operating nightfighter Corsairs from carriers.
    So, the Corsair saw widespread service in the Pacific as a fighter, fighter-bomber / dive-bomber and as a nightfighter. It could also operate from carriers. The last production aircraft didn't come off the assembly line until 1953.
     
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    OK, shoot me I'm wrong. :eek: :rolleyes: I bet my FW-190 can shoot down your Corsair !!
     
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    Not 400 miles out to sea.... [​IMG]
     
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    The D-11 would is also overlooked here, yes I know, only a handful were built. But it did have 4 cannon. 2 20's in wing root, & 2 30 mil's mid wing. Had uprated Jumo engine, so would have been even faster than D-9, ( pretty sure on that ). Anyway another contender. Certainly better armed than Corsair or 47 or Tempest.
     
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    The F4U-1C and 4C both had 4 x 20mm cannon in the wings.
    Aside from that, the Corsair has better range than the Focke Wulf and the D model having a liquid cooled engine is at a disadvantage in ground attack. Also, it could carry only a fraction of the ordinance load (bombs and rockets) a Typhoon, Thunderbolt or, Corsair could. While the Fw 190 F or G model (or D-12) was a good ground attack aircraft for the Germans it hardly stacks up against the best the Allies were using be it any of the above and several others not listed. Heck, I might even include the P-39 as a possibility that certainly was a serious contender in this role in the first half of the war.
     

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