Welcome to the WWII Forums! Log in or Sign up to interact with the community.

Best Sub-machine gun or machine pistols of WWII?

Discussion in 'Weapons & Technology in WWII' started by mp38, Jun 18, 2002.

  1. mp38

    mp38 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2002
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    0
    So what do you think was the best sub-machine gun of WWII? Choose from the list:

    MP38 (and all its models)
    Thompson
    M3 (grease gun)
    Sten gun
    PPsh41 (and its later models)
    Mauser R713
    Type 100
    Beretta 38/42
    MP28
    Erma EMP
    Madsen model 50
    Suomi model 1931
    ZK383
    S100

    I think that is about all of them. Let me know if I forgot any? Let me know what you think, and then I will give you my choices!

    Matt :cool:
     
  2. PzJgr

    PzJgr Drill Instructor

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2000
    Messages:
    8,378
    Likes Received:
    883
    Location:
    Jefferson, OH
    I would choose the Thompson because of the caliber used and its durability
     
  3. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    MP 40, though the Thompson is right up there with it......

    E
     
  4. Andreas Seidel

    Andreas Seidel Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2001
    Messages:
    528
    Likes Received:
    1
    First off, I haven't fired a single one of them and I've only held three of them so far.

    And yet - my vote goes to the MP40. It's largest drawback - a small magazine - was solved in the 40/1 version.

    Based on the report of a friend who HAS fired it, it fires quite softly, making it possible to engage targets at considerable distance on full auto.
     
  5. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    Are we considering the later war assault rifles/sub-mg's in this thread ?

    E
     
  6. Friedrich

    Friedrich Expert

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    6,548
    Likes Received:
    48
    I would have to say give the Thompson two points and one to MP-40.

    I like enormous 0.45' caliber instead than 9 mm. But the Schmeisser was easier and chepaer to produce. But also the Tommy had to be very well mantained. All the delicate parts and wooden parts were not the best for mud and sand. That is very well shown in "Saving Private Ryan" when Tom Hanks has his Tommy inside a bag, water and sand proof...
     
  7. C.Evans

    C.Evans Expert

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2000
    Messages:
    25,883
    Likes Received:
    855
    As much as I hate to admit to not picking a German or an American weapon as the best SMG--I have to say that according to German vets I have talked to, they liked the Russian PPsh the best. You just could not go worng with it.

    Now if you are talkig of my favorite SMGs--they you know it would be a tie between the MP-38/40 and the Thompson .45.

    I would put Assault Rifles in a different catagory. My fav of those would be the MP-43/STG-44.--then (when it came out) the AK :D -47.
     
  8. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    Carl :

    I think the Ak 47 is a piece of junk, as I have fired several ; maybe becuase they were Chinese re-fits possibly ?
    Well I thought I would ask about the Stg 44 as it is a supre weapon. Was the MP 40 with dual feeds ever given to front line troops or was this experimental ?

    E
     
  9. PzJgr

    PzJgr Drill Instructor

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2000
    Messages:
    8,378
    Likes Received:
    883
    Location:
    Jefferson, OH
    Don't know about that but I do know many a vietnam vet that would disagree with your opinion on the AK 47
     
  10. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    Hmmmmmm, well I can say from firing one as well as having a brother in law that was there in the late 60's..Vietnma war plus a Helicopter pilot friend who got shot down behind enemy lines and procurred two of them, their opinion as well was and is the same as mine. It may be the manufacturing process as this wepaon is distributed all over the world in many varying forms.

    E
     
  11. Otto

    Otto Gearing up. Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2000
    Messages:
    9,401
    Likes Received:
    1,576
    Location:
    DFW, Texas
    I'm afraid my knowledge in this are is way too limited to hold a credible opinion, although I am quite fond of the mp40.

    I have never even layed eyes on an AK, (I live in Canada), but I have seen most WW2 weapons, at least in museums.

    I have never seen a photo of the mp40/II can anyone help me out with this?
     
  12. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    Otto :

    Wish I had a scanner becuase I would send you a ton of stuff. My scanner friend works for Allied intelignece and he is overseas right now during the mid-east crisis.....

    Maybe Andreas can send you a pic of the MP 40 ?
    In essence it is a dual clipped gun, with the clips side by side which count pump out tremendous firepower... ! :eek:

    E
     
  13. Otto

    Otto Gearing up. Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2000
    Messages:
    9,401
    Likes Received:
    1,576
    Location:
    DFW, Texas
    Thanks Erich, I have read a ton about this variant, but I would love to put a picture to the words.
     
  14. Friedrich

    Friedrich Expert

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    6,548
    Likes Received:
    48
    No, I disagree.

    I have fired Soviet-manufactured AK-47 and let me tell you that Mr. Mikhaíl Kalashnikov is a genious! The gun is beautiful, simple and lethal.

    The thing is going to fire after you had it in mud during four years...

    Vietnam veterans say that (OK, not all...), but it is the best Assualt rifle in History because it is still an incredible weapon at its 50 years of age. Not even the most modern M-16 reachs the quality of the Kalashnikov. Beside, the rifle has History, it is a symbol of revolution and freedom. I would love my grandfather to give me his Kalashnikov some day. He once said: "Thank God the Soviets invented it after the war, because our Sturmgewehr woud be junk if we compared it..."
     
  15. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    Remember though that I mentioned Chinese made AK's.......also even though it appears opinion here suggests that the Russian weapon is hot stuff, what then would have happened if the Third Reich would have continued into the late 40's.....something superior to the AK possibly ?

    E
     
  16. Friedrich

    Friedrich Expert

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    6,548
    Likes Received:
    48
    Of course we would have invented something better. We always do, don't we? Hehe...
     
  17. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    Friedrich :

    My understanding is that the German technicians were working on a double barrel sub-mg to be produced sometime in 1946 for use with the Heer and the W-SS. Whoa !

    E
     
  18. PzJgr

    PzJgr Drill Instructor

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2000
    Messages:
    8,378
    Likes Received:
    883
    Location:
    Jefferson, OH
    I thought I read somewhere or watched it on the History Channel that the AK 47 was derived from the MP44 or whatever it was called. The Germans came out with a replacement to the MP 40. They wanted something that could fire high rate of fire but also be accurate at long ranges. Something in between a SMG and a rifle. They came up with the MP 44 (name could be wrong). Looking at the AK47, it does have similarities to the German weapon so in effect, it was a German invention. Russkies just copied it.
     
  19. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    Yes, my thoughts as well or so I have understood the last 35 years. Any experts to give us the findings ?

    E
     
  20. Stevin

    Stevin Ace

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2002
    Messages:
    2,883
    Likes Received:
    26
    http://www.izhmash.udm.ru/parade/kalashnikov.html

    (or http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/)

    A little about kalashinkov in his own words. I think that if he would have ripped off a German gun, he would not say so. The man is a hero of the USSR. As I understand it the gun was very succesful and good, but as has been mentioned before, it was build in lincense in MANY countries and I am sure the quality differs consistently between the original ones and the later versions (although updated). I have never fired one.

    In the Dutch Army we have the C5 Dimaco (Canadian copy of the Colt M16). Was rather dissappointed with it. My instructor told us that unless we would hit some vital organs, the enemy would propably keep on running at us...with his gun...

    Same with the standard issue Glock17. Same guy said; If you stand within 25 meters of your target, by all means, THROW the gun at his head. You got more chance of hitting him....

    But I am going off topic here.
     

Share This Page