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China Can Sink American Ships Faster Than America Can Replace Them

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by CAC, Mar 16, 2021.

  1. CAC

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    Probably right---unfortunately. Plus, what would happen if Russia jumped in on China's side?
     
  3. CAC

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    I was thinking that China's shipping industry would be on one side only and a side easily reachable to missiles and bombing runs from aircraft carriers and maybe Pearl...this appraisal didn't seem to factor in the destruction of factories.
    A war with China...would it get to a boots on the ground, ground war? Or be a naval war? Without Nukes, how does this play out? How do you win? I don't think you can.
     
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    I's a bit like saying you have enough bullets in your house to kill 200 people, so nobody will want to mess with you.
     
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    Biden and Harris will just get in the fetal position and let us get our asses kicked.
     
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    Worse they could give the military it's head...

    China: "We will bro you up!"
    US: "Whatever...fire!"
     
  7. CAC

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    Careful...what would happen if (when Russia joins) Europe - Britain, France, Germany join the US? NATO on full alert...I don't like they way that thinking is going...
     
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    The US is witdrawing troops. The EU is not as strong and asking the UN for help is quite naive. Since 1990 we have believed Russia is weak. Now we are back to cold war situation.
     
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    I'm not worried by Russia except for their nukes...
     
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    I got to the third word in the first sentence and thought "That's not going to happen". Long war ?
    Probably just me but if China or Russia pulled a 'Pearl Harbor' in this day and age I think we'd see a Desert Storm on steroids. Quick retaliatory action and immediate - Let's talk about this. I could be wrong though.
    Besides if China really gets pi$$ed with the USA they'll just recall all our cellphones. That'll teach us.
     
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    The US is in considerable debt to China...why fight the person who is paying you a sh#t tonne of money? Would the US welcome the opportunity to wipe the debt? I can't see a war between nuclear powers that doesn't end in MAD. Now, if there was a battle ground in a third country that didn't directly impeach upon the territory of the two opponents, then maybe a "conventional" war maybe possible....Hmm...what country without nukes of its own could be a good battle ground? Everyone stop looking at Australia..!
     
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    This is China...

    You have bullets to kill 200 people, so the Chinese hit you with 500-1000 people.
     
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    Why? Because the Repubs are so good at beating up countries with insignificant & outdated militaries?

    China has neither an insignificant or out dated military.
     
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    This has been true since the early 80s. Moreso now that the USN focuses on high-tech ships that cannot be produced quickly. And, further hindered by it's inability to produce a viable low-cost design capable of mass production - the LCS has turned into a very bad joke.

    Matters are even more complicated by the fact that there is almost no commercial US shipping industry - leaving little in the way of supplying these captured island bases with anti-ship missiles to fire at the Chinese or to replace those supply vessels sunk by Chinese subs.

    While identifying a long known about problem, it proposes no solutions to fix said problem.
     
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    Russia no more wants a strong China than they do a strong US. Especially, since this would most likely be a sea war, and would not necessarily reduce Chinese land forces through casualties - unless nuclear weapons came into play, but then everyone loses.
     
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    Australia is too far, over too much water...Without China taking Japan, the Philippines, Korea & Indonesia first, thus securing their SLOCs. Only the would Australia become a viable invasion target.
     
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    You make me feel a little better...what country would you choose for a battle ground then? Obviously ‘if’ they decide to do things conventionally...I can’t see China entering this without also taking some ground...if only for leverage.
    How could this stay a simple naval war only?

    where does India fit into this?

    What do you think of the statement that Japan has found a way to negate Chinese submarines?
     
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    Ideally, South Korea, Taiwan, or Japan...Situationally dependent, although all guarantee a US response.

    South Korea requires few naval assets for an amphibious landings, unless they try a major end run around South Korea's border defenses. Taiwan is another low-hanging fruit that could be easily plucked - the sea run is very short(150 miles from major ports), and can be covered by Chinese shore-based, and air assets, although how the ground war goes is another guess. Japan would be a major undertaking, and would likely require China seizing South Korea, Taiwan, or both - Not to mention ground casualties would probably be serious for China. Also, taking Taiwan would likely be a prerequisite for any invasion of the Philippines

    This probably won't be a simple naval war, as air assets will play a predominant part in any such war. However, China blockades South Korea or Taiwan to force their acquiescence to what ever issues started the crisis - without invading said countries, would keep land force use to a minimum.

    Negate, probably not without multinational help.

    Detect & track would be a better definition, but again with multinational help...It is "Fish Hook", the Southeast Asian SOSUS net.
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    IMHO, the Japanese naval self defense force is to small to negate China's submarine threat. Further, China has several submarine bases to operate from. For example, while Japan could probably keep Jianggezhuang, Quigdao, Lüshunkou, and Daxie Island under wraps, Xiachuan Island, and the 3 submarine bases on Hainan Island are much more problematical to "negate"(especially all at once).
     
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    I’d guess said submarines and their bases would likely be the first (one of the first) to be attacked...probably by stealth bombers...to me it’s the same as air superiority, you don’t want to be doing naval manoeuvres with the sub threat so great...I’d baulk at South Korea being a battle field...they may have nukes...Taiwan sounds perfect.
     
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    South Korea is nuclear capable and could build weapons in roughly 6 months, but do not have any as of yet. Of course, only China could decide if the sacrifice is worth the risk...It could just very well be.
     

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