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  1. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    hey dont know what should be bad with this statue
     
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    this is so stupid how can you build something like that its one thing to put it in japan. but to try and put it in the Philippines is very intensive to the men that died freeing the land from the Japanese. i got an idea lets build a statue for the hijackers at the Boston airport to remember their sacrifice
     
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    so what in many countries are memorials for forgin fighters
    or to you think kamikaze attacks are a crime in general because you compare them to 911 hijackers
     
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    tj has a point. If England spontaniously decided "Hey, you know what? Our guys who fought those Americans were really great. Lets build a statue of a British Soldier planting the British flag and drop it in Boston." I would be

    pissed

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    hell.

    EDIT: I like England and have plenty of friends from across the pond. So don't try to tell me that i'm letting an over-blown sense of national pride cloud my judgement.
     
  6. Zhukov_2005

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    I don't know, the statue is a honour to all those men who sacrificed themselves for the ultimate cause, or really the cause the Emperor thought was ultimate.

    However, I agree with TJ, to put this statue on Phillipine land is a huge disgrace to the American soldiers who fought and died to free it from a tyrannical empire, but it is the place where the first Kamikaze raid took off so it could be fitting.
     
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    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    And probably more so to the Phillipeans who lived there, and those who served in various armies to fight Japan.
     
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    I don't understand how you can hold this view. This is not about honouring local soldiers who fought for their country and died in the ultimate sacrifice for it, like other monuments. This is... this is low.

    The Phillipines were occupied during World War II and Japanese occupation as you may have noticed wasn't exactly a birthday party. It is a signal of just about the ultimate disrespect to put a statue honouring heroic Japanese soldiers in a country they occupied, and merely to attract tourists!

    I'm disgusted.
     
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    Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to forget them. :oops:

    This whole thing seems like a cheap way for the Phillipean goverment to strengthen economic ties with Japan. If thats all it is, than its a disgrace not only to the American and Phillipean soldiers, but to the kamikaze pilots as well.
     
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    If you wish to plant a monument to your fallen heroes in a country you occupied, be sure to emphasize either that they were just common guys doing what they were told, just like the enemy, or that they were wrong but they still died and didn't want to, and that everyone regrets it.

    For example, I have no quarrel at all with the German military cemetary at Noville, Belgium; it was a sobering thing. For reasons mentioned above.
     
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    kamikazi

    If these pilots really wanted to die for the Emperor and not return,
    why did they wear a parachute?
     
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    Change of mind at the last second?:lol:

    "Oh damn! Forgot to turn the stove off at home!"
     
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    after my opinion nobody should earn a memrial who killed some one else but that is utopic so why not a memorial for the kamakaze its a part of our human history and it werent the kamikaze pilots who suprressed and killed the phillipinos
    if you argue like this no beaten nation has the right to create memorials for their soldiers cause we all know history is written by the winners
     
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    Yeah.
     
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    Al Amin, no one said that beaten nations weren't allowed to build memorials for their soldiers. But they also shouldn't drop them on someone else's soil.
     
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    what do you mean with drop you want to tell my that a japanese para commando landed in the night and put it down violating the soverenity of the phillipines and even if it wAS SO IT IS NO PROBLEM FOR THE PHILLIS TO REMOVE IT IF THEY DONT LIKE IT
     
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    Oh my Lord. Are you serious? Are you really serious?
     
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    WHAT? EXPLAIN YOURSELF
     
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    AS I SAID IN MANY COUNTRIES ARE MEMORIALS FOR FORGEIN FIGHTERS WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT
    LET ME GUESS
    AMERICANS ----------------GOOD AND FRIENDLY SO ITS OK
    JAPANESE------------------------ BAD AND EVIL DON T REMEBER THEM IN THE PHILLIS
     
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    And if this was the place were the first kamakikaze attack was launched it should be rememberd kamaikaze is meanwhile an international term in many languages if you do some daring actions

    in belgium is also a memorial for the ardennes offensiv and the battle of the bulge hasent such an impact like the kamikaze attackt even that this term exist still today
     

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