Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by wooley12, Mar 13, 2020.
A valet who sometimes served Trump meals & Pence's Press Secretary.
You need data to make a comparison. Jordan has no data. They have no testing. Moreover, all authoritarian states have a reason to lie and minimize losses. China has lied about this from the beginning. Russia is dropping outspoken doctors out of high windows.
I do trust Sweden and the other western European democracies, and those mortality states are readily available.
Do you have evidence that Sweden ORDERED infectious patients into nursing homes? Cuomo did. One director begged the state (in writing) not to make him take Covid patients, but to put them in the Javitz Center. This was denied and he was forced to do so, at the cost of the illness sweeping through the building.
Here's the facts on Coumo. Everybody should look at this.
Cuomo: Nursing homes 'don’t have the right to object' to order requiring admission of COVID-19 patients
Probably the fog of war. Everybody in NY loves him. Even my sister who found out she got fired by him by reading it in the NYT. Watch what he is doing and see a professional who knows how to handle a crisis. Notice the lack of whining and lying. Seems to me that's all the donald does. The guy is sick in the head.
Really? Put them in the Javits Center?
The Javits Center was still under construction when Cuomo issued his edict. It would not be completed for another 5 days. Nor, was it setup for COVID patients, because that would have meant an even longer construction time.
Does it matter?
If he did order them, his 22% is still less the Sweden's 50%. So, Great Job Cuomo!
If Sweden did not order them, then you have no argument, as their no order 50% is less than his did order 22%.
Your not making any sense...Other than you hate Cuomo...We get that...Enough already.
I agree Jordan tends toward a authoritarian government and information should be taken with a grain of salt, but a authoritarian government does have one great advantage. If you order a lockdown, you lockdown and you certainly do not storm the royal palace with Confederate battle flags and long guns, demanding the country 'reopen'. Unless you are prepared for a on the spot anti-covid lead full body injection.
There is data and then there is data. Why does Norway to the west and Finland to the east have fatalities 10 times lower than Sweden? Did I somehow miss the memo when these two counties joined the Axis of Evil? This isn't 2-3 widely scattered areas of the world, the both share common borders and considerable trade with each other.
I also agree China has not been fully candid, the whole 'mandate of heaven' concept, where bad news must be controlled so as to not embarrass the divine ruler. Does this mean you concede Donald Trump is a 'authoritarian leader'?
Though out January, February and early March China had no bigger cheerleader than Trump. The so called 'fake news' (and Fox too) repeated asked Trump about the virus in China, his reply time and again, Xi was his good buddy and a great leader, China was dealing with the virus 'very strongly', had the situation fully under control and posed no threat to the US.
So, was he lying to us the way dictators do? Did the people he put into power not tell him because he selected incompetent people (hint, they are)? Or were they simply to scared to tell Trump news that goes against his preconceptions (hint, they are)?
One fact is indisputable, the so called 'fake news' was not too incompetent to figure it out early, nor too scared to point out, repeated. 'Fake news' one right, Donald Trump wrong 77,0000 times and climbing.
We have new reports that a third White House staffer close to President Trump (aide to the First Lady) tested positive for Covid 19. The further report is that Trump erupted with 'lava-like anger' that the WH staff was not doing enough to protect him from the virus. We also hear that staffers with daily contact with the president are now being tested every day.
Perhaps I have been too harsh to Trump, perhaps he is as concerned about the threat of Covid 19 as the rest of us are, perhaps he will insist ALL Americans get the same level of protection he does any day now.
Could any of those boys and girls celebrating a new world unity, have imagined how divided the country would be exactly 75 years later?
I would never have thought that in 1945, of course I was only a year old. But still concerned.
Read the link I provided. Both the Comfort and Javitz Center were open and ready. Cuomo did a terrible job. The worst hit state in the union, and about 30% of the deaths were directly attributable to Cuomo's insane orders. He's popular because most people only see the hysterical leftist media, that will support any leftist no matter what he/she says or does.
Figure what out early? The entire media was screaming RACIST, RACIST, RACIST when Trump shut down contact from China. That was the first act in the play, and the media has opposed every step since then. You can't just make up a new narrative, that the media was somehow ahead of things when it was just the opposite.
I'll remind everyone once again that this virus isn't going away, lockdown or not. It will continue going through our country until Herd Immunity is reached and only then will it die. Hopes for a vaccine are forlorn hopes. The lead time is way, waaay, out there. And we are already dealing with two strains, more will come about as this thing mutates.
Look who is talking about making up a new narrative...
New narrative...Trump was being called a racist & xenophobe for calling COVID-19 a "Chinese Virus" and a "Foreign Virus.
Also a new narrative...Trump did not shut down contact from China.
New narrative...The media have not opposed social distancing, sheltering in place, wearing of masks, travel restrictions, business closeures, etc.
All steps taken since then.
You are of course presuming that the body will "remember" COVID 19...Where is the Herd Immunity for the Common Cold or Flu...Oops.
New Narrative...At least 30 different strains have been identified.
Cuomo made his decision to use nursing homes on March 25...the Javits Center did not begin accepting Non-COVID patients until March 30th. The Comfort did not arrive in NYC until March 30th & did not begin accepting Non-COVID patients until April 2nd.
Thus...On March 26th, how could the Javits Center or Comfort accept patients?
The China travel ban was hardly the first act in this sad, tragic farce. Indeed the first reports of a possible epidemic began to surface in December of last year, though admittedly those were scattered and fragmentary. In the first 8-10 weeks of this year Trump's praise of China was a staple on MSNBC and CNN. It also appeared on conservative media like Fox news, or it did until Trump changed his story, claiming this was all a vast conspiracy from China, WHO, the liberal media, the democrats, the Illuminati, the Free Mason's and god knows who else to prevent him winning a second term.
Jeez, and I thought Hillary was loopy with her 'vast right wing conspiracy'.
Really, the whole media screamed racist? Does this include Fox, OAN, Breitbart and the other conservative voices? If it doesn't, you can't blame all the media, can you? If some questions were asked, there was some justification considering his comments that anyone coming to the southern border was likely to be a gang member, murderer, rapist or terrorist. Or perhaps it was his two attempts to enact a Muslim ban that was ruled un-constitutional twice until he packed the court. Or perhaps it was the comment that the US needed more immigrants from counties like Norway.
The media has not opposed everything Trump has tried, just the silly, insane or dangerous ideas like hydro-chloraquin, disinfectant injections and shoving UV lights where the sun doesn't shine. They praised his signing of the DPA, they just wanted him to actually use it. They praised his formation of the Covid Task Force, only they wanted him to actually listen to the medical experts rather than have them waste time trying to 'translate' his incoherent ramblings into something that almost make sense.
It's rich to claim I am changing the narrative, Trump does this week to week, day to day and sometimes hour by hour. He does this claiming he didn't say things we clearly have him on videotape saying!
This is, I believe, the second time a second more virulent strain has been brought forward as a reason to just bite the bullet and end any lockdown. If this is true, I remain unconvinced (I know you are shocked). What this indicates to me is that in the span of just 3 months a already deadly virus has mutated into a even more dangerous threat. Are we looking at another, possibly worse mutation before the end of the summer? With the way it's burning thru meatpacking plants across the US like a California wildfire I am not filled with Trumpian hope. What about the expected return this fall/winter? Does this mean we face 4 different strains, each possibly worst than the previous in the span of a year?
Or is the 3rd strain already here? Children are now getting sick and dying from a mysterious illness thought to be related to Covid 19.
I’m finally ready to find out, bring it on or let us see if it is so much bs. And the following today,
moar rope please
Been meaning to ask you poppy. Does Qs plan include depopulation of the world? Any idea of what world population number is deemed optimal? What did you think of the video my nephew created?
Did you read the link? Javits Center & Comfort are not mentioned. Again, the decision was made when neither were open.
That's funny KB. Sweden has 50% deaths in their nursing homes, and you give them two thumbs up. Cuomo has 30% deaths in nursing homes and you bitch, bitch, bitch.
Again, your bias is showing.