Did Germany come closer to "winning" WW1 or WW2?

Relatively speaking of course.

Which conflict did they get the closest to achieving their primary goals?

 

Well they took the Russians out of WWI. Not in time to do them a great deal of good though. On the other hand they didn't take France out. Germany was in much better shape when they surrendered in WWI though. Does that count for something?

 

Thats a good point. Also some hardliners (incorrectly) believed they could have won the first war and that it was stopped short because of the internal commie dogs or whatever. That they "surrendered when no troops were behind their borders".

 

To win the first one they needed to keep Britain out of it. Of course the same could be said about the second one.

 

WW1...They were winning but intel told them otherwise and thought the French were much stronger than they actually were, indeed, France was approx two weeks from surrendering, when the Germans raised the white flag.

 

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Please provide more information about that.

Thanks

 

Please provide information to the contrary...cant be bothered can you?
Sorry mate...if you want to argue against it, please, go ahead.

 

Making a claim then telling people to provide info that it is wrong is not the best way to win a debate. When a person makes a claim then they should back it up with information.

That said yes France at points was close to surrender except much had been done to remove that problem. French troops were used less and less in costly battles and the battles that started to take place were getting better and better results improving moral. Besides 35,000 mutinies in 1917 and 2 divisions marching on Paris I can't find much more in the way that would indicate the French to surrender, Not in 1918 at least.

 

I second this. You're saying another two weeks of war and the French would have surrendered in 1918? I'm no expert on WW1, but I've never heard anything about this.

 

Yes, why would France consider a surrender in October of 1918? By then, there were on average of 300,000 fresh US troops arriving in France each month. That alone should give them the the resolve to stick it out. Also, the Allies were prosecuting the 100 Days Offensive quite heavily, the decisive campaign that led to Germany's collapse on 11 Nov 18. That campaign began the previous August. If the Germans didn't surrender when they did, they faced getting shoved into the Rhine under the weight of the advancing Allied Armies.

 

We are also forgetting that ol' Uncle Sam was dropping off 10,000 Yanks a day onto the battlefield of France at this point. Late to the party but at the party none the less. The French simply had to hold on at that point.Time was on their side. (hence the desperate Spring Offensive.)

 

It wasn't our party. Neither was the continuation 20 years later!

 

It wasnt a debate, simply anwering a request for information. It only needs backing up if the person is precious about being right. Ive read and heard untold information in my 43 years, you dont seriously expect me to be able to give reference to most of it do you? That particular bit of info was gained years ago and pulled from an obscure part of my mind...take it or leave it mate...as i said, if you want to argue against it, then be my guest.
This is an info sharing sight...not a debating club.

 

Conclusion : you made a statement,when asked to prove it ,you refuse . Thus : your claim is for under the bus .

 

And thats fine...ill stand by my statement. See how easy that was?

 

1917 was a low point for Entante during Great War but it was no means close to defeat as dramatised. Yes Russian Revolution took Tsarist Empire out of war. Yes U-Boat campaign was causing massive shipping casaulties , yes there has been mutinies in trenches among French soldiers. But none of them were decisive factors strategically as Germans wished. U-Boat threat was countered with convoys system and escorts. Petain and Foch made quite a bit improvements to raise morale among men in trenches (the cause for mutiny was for better conditions at front by the way , not to end the war ) And taking Russia out of war did not give Central Powers and decisive strategic advantage. They already lost that advantage in 1914-1915 period.

As WWI the moment Adolf attacked Poland , the countdown for final collapse of Third Reich started. They only extended the war to escape the inevitable. That regime was simply to unstable to survive.

 

Something you are very familiar with, I've noticed.

 

I'm not sure that the French "mutinies" of 1917 were as dangerous as the leaders of the Entente feared. We'll know more in 2017, when the files are due to be released.

 

Well seeing as only 35,000 mutinied out of a force of over a million men I don't see it being that bad. That said in those days the moral was at it's lowest so if France was going to surrender at any time it would have been then.

Luckily new tactics perfected by the smaller nations started tp come into play more often not long after so wasted life was to become a thing of the past for WWI.