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  1. The_Historian

    The_Historian Pillboxologist Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    Just noticed this thead has been going for a decade now. :cool:
    Anyway, here's the latest-
    "For tens of thousands of years, the high ceilings, flat earthen floor, and river view of Shanidar Cave have beckoned to ancient humans. The cave, in the Zagros Mountains of northern Iraq, once sheltered at least 10 Neanderthals, who were unearthed starting in the 1950s. One skeleton had so many injuries that he likely needed help to survive, and another had been dusted with pollen, suggesting someone had laid flowers at the burial. The rare discovery ushered in a new way of thinking about Neanderthals, who until then had often been considered brutes. “Although the body was archaic, the spirit was modern,” excavator Ralph Solecki wrote of Neanderthals, in Science, in 1975. But some scientists doubted the pollen was part of a flower offering, and others questioned whether Neanderthals even buried their dead.
    In 2014, researchers headed back to Shanidar to re-excavate, and found additional Neanderthal bones. Then, last fall, they unearthed another Neanderthal with a crushed but complete skull and upper thorax, plus both forearms and hands. From 25 to 28 January, scientists will gather at a workshop at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom to discuss what the new finds suggest about Neanderthal views of death. Science caught up with archaeologist and team co-leader Christopher Hunt of Liverpool John Moores University in the United Kingdom to learn more."
    www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/01/new-remains-discovered-site-famous-neanderthal-flower-burial?fbclid=IwAR14oLmE2pV3qD8AFA5Q27hazrhGquJtldQjwlyV25WHFqsBitTFwyd3Jmg
     
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    HULK SMASH!!!
     
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    Maybe a new angle on hunters?
    "Neanderthal spears were used to kill prey from up to 65 feet (20 metres) away, scientists have found.
    It was previously thought the ancient human ancestors did not have the necessary technology or skill to create refined weapons for long-range use.
    Research combined a fragment of a surviving spear with javelin throwing athletes and found the projectiles were more efficient than previously thought.
    Experts had assumed Neanderthals used their crude wooden spears for stabbing and lunging instead of throwing.
    The new study paints a very different picture of their abilities and reveals the so-called 'Schoningen' spears were aerodynamic missiles used to kill prehistoric prey.
    Using accurate replicas of Neanderthal spears dating back 300,000 years, the javelin throwers managed to hit a target up to 65 feet (20 metres) away.
    This was double the distance scientists had believed the 'Schoningen' spears could be thrown.
    In addition, the spears slammed into the target with sufficient force to kill prey.
    Lead researcher Dr Annemieke Milks, from University College London's Institute of Archaeology, said: 'This study is important because it adds to a growing body of evidence that Neanderthals were technologically savvy and had the ability to hunt big game through a variety of hunting strategies, not just risky close encounters.
    'It contributes to revised views of Neanderthals as our clever and capable cousins.' "
    www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6631271/Neanderthals-brains-build-long-distance-weapons.html
     
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    "An ancient footprint found preserved in a Gibraltar sand dune may have been left by one of the last living Neanderthals.
    Researchers investigating an area of the Catalan Bay Sand Dune over the last decade have found tracks from both animals and what appears to be a human ancestor dating as far back as 29,000 years ago.
    Neanderthals began to die out around 40,000 years ago, though some research has suggested they persisted until as recently as 28,000 years ago.
    The experts say the discovery lines up with late Neanderthal-era findings from the nearby Gorham's Cave, and if confirmed, would be only the second known example of Neanderthal footprints.
    In a paper published to the journal Quaternary Science Reviews, an international team including researchers from the Gibraltar National Museum have outlined the remarkable discovery of ancient vertebrate footprints in the region.
    The dunes above Catalan bay are a relic of the last glaciation, according to the team, revealing evidence of a time when sea levels sat 120 meters lower than they do today.
    At that time, the dunes extended much farther outward.
    Researchers identified footprints from red deer, ibex, aurochs, leopard, and straight-tusked elephants at the site.
    And, they found what’s said to be the footprint of a young human ancestor who stood just 3.4 to 4 feet tall (106-126 centimeters).
    The team dated the print to about 29,000 years ago.
    This information coupled with fossil discoveries from Gorham’s Cave point to a Neanderthal origin, according to the researchers.
    The only other Neanderthal footprints known to exist were found at Vartop Cave in Romania."
    www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6701935/Where-Neanderthals-walked-Researchers-discover-29-000-year-old-footprint-Gibraltar.html
     
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    Sorry, but Neanderthals aren't extinct. They come to my family reunions every year.
     
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    I wonder how the arm/upper body strength of Neanderthals compared to the modern athletes testing the spears? We tend to think of Neanderthals being muscular. That would affect range and killing power.
     
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    Last I heard there was pretty conclusive evidence for "modern man" having some Neanderthal genes. So they didn't go completely extinct. Modern athletes have very scientific training which tends to build muscle at close to optimum rates. On the other hand primitive peoples usually got a lot of exercise as part of their life style. An interesting question as to how they'd compare.
     
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    There's very little doubt that we have Neanderthal and Denisovan genes. All three groups would have looked enough alike for "exchanges" to have been very likely.
     
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    Every white person has roughly 2% - 2.5% Neanderthal DNA...that 2% sits in a different area for each person. Its thought that maybe the early Africans deliberately mated with the Neanderthal in Europe to ensure their offspring would survive...We may have got our coloured eyes from them...we may have got our straight hair from them...
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    Exactly, when every day's life or death you develop muscles without even knowing it. And that's without special diets/supplements etc. Not sure a modern reconstruction could ever be entirely accurate.
     
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    Still loving the muttaburrasaurus.

    One of the paleontology profs. at Purdue came to class one day with a t-shirt that read "I really dig dinosaurs."
     
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