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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Ben Dover, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. Ben Dover

    Ben Dover Active Member

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    According to those who write about Alex Jones, it's made up, there aren't any Globalists.
    Nationalism and protectionism is wrong, but Globalists don't exist.
    You've got those in the EU who like their red passport promising them the bounties of Europe, and anything to oppose this idea is quickly hushed up as racist.
     
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    Globalists, the people with "global" solutions (like a single, world government) to the world's real or imagined problems, certainly exist and have existed for a long time. Here is an example from 1948 but there are many more usually originating from communists, socialists, liberals and frequently from (out of their depth) scientists and celebrities.
     
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    Globalists :)

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    I think its inevitable...so the dinosaurs need to move over...
     
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    Never going to happen. Major powers (the US, China, Russia) have no reasons to forsake their independence (and especially their wealth), and their people are too proud to be included in the same basket with semi-failed states (most of Africa for example) or failed cultures.

    Even more importantly we know from history and evolutionary biology that in a long term a monoculture (like a single world government) is inferior and frequently deadly. Diversity (many governments) is better, it provides strength and resilience the same way capitalism (many enterprises) is better than communism (a single state enterprise).
     
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    belasar Court Jester

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    Some form of single world government will eventually present itself, most likely after we achieve the ability to exploit our Solar System. That would entail the ability to economically build colonies on other planetary bodies while also economically transporting people and goods between Earth and these bodies. Other things could trigger a world government, but they would likely entail a massive Earthly disaster that required/allowed a single governing authority.

    We as a species are intelligent enough to envision such an occurrence, just not advanced enough to embrace it. At present we can only imagine it on a world conquest plane like the Jihadies.
     
  7. OpanaPointer

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    It's not the '50s any more.
     
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    Why do we need a global government for Solar System exploitation? It's hard to find any example of a governmental bureaucracy completing a large project economically or even successfully.
    The global bureaucracy will be global disaster unable to cope with any major problem. Exactly as the large dinosaurs were unable to cope with their own major problems and perished all, when the small and nimble animals mostly survived.

    Earth was actually threaten by a massive Earthly disaster - the emergence of the Soviet bloc spanning a larger part of the world. The fact that the free world was mainly independent and diverse countries fighting against a monolithic, ruled from a single center dinosaur was a huge advantage.
    One of the reasons was that any mistakes made by the Soviet dinosaur (and there were many) affected negatively its entire empire, when in the free world mistakes generally didn't cross borders and stayed with the country which made them.
     
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    Posted an awesome picture of one of the rothschilds pointing his finger into prince charles' chest- who also looked like a little kid being admonished.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana

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    Remember when the US and USSR were both using German rocket scientists? The local brains may be great brains, but they aren't necessarily the best brains.

    And I don't follow how working independently made the "free world" a game winner.
     
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    Well the EU is a lot like a plan envisioned for a Nazi peace time in Europe, and today's Germany wishes to commit to the EU by
    calling on the EU to act like a bloc to give the UK a harsh Brexit is Germany asking other countries to shoot themselves in the foot too.
    The way GB gets treated by the EU is how future nations should wish to get treated too since this will set the president for all future EU exits, so hold for a harsh Brexit then prepare to sign the fate over the terms and conditions of your own exit and if it's too harsh, it's like shutting that option off for yourself so you'd be stuck in the EU.
    (Germany aren't allowed to hold referendums in Germany).
     
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    So three countries tried and only one got it right. But in the end everybody benefited, even without the war the others would be inspired by their work or simply copy it.
    A single world government would most likely run a single project with one in three probability of success, judging by the real success rate.

    And the Germans weren't the best brains, they simply had a lot of luck that they project were supported and financed. The Americans and the Russians scientists were similarly talented, but their governments saw no need for such weapons earlier, during the war.



    They didn't work entirely independently, they pulled together resources when needed - for example in defense.
    The communist bloc pulled resources for most trivial reasons, creating single mandatory designs for all their members, so when mistakes were made, and they happened frequently all members were equally affected by them.
    Like the infamous ES EVM, a single computer system for all (a stolen IBM design), that was forced on everybody despite the fact local, frequently superior systems were available.
     
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    I just see "anti-globalist" as isolationist.
     
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    Merkel is now wanting a ban on the burqa . Wonder why. Maybe it's because the civilized world is saying- enough is enough. Gave the religious zealots a chance. Most wouldn't meld- in fact- caused a lot of grief and crime...Germany has had enough, now merkel has to justify her existence to her peoples.
    Italy too. France next.
    Dirty blood/war/religion oil money was used to bribe our politicians (clintons etc) to change laws, buy and use social media to twist news/spin.
    The saud have their fingers in a lot of media...Only kardashian watchers would disagree (die hollywood, die already).
    Time has come, where we stop funding terrorism that saud oil provides...Read recently where only a very small percentage of saudis actually work for a living...They treat their workers like slaves, and their women worse.
    What has the saud to offer the 1st world. Nothing but backwards naval gazing. ..There are some forward thinking men(not women), who realize KSA is heading down a dead end. That's what they want it seems.
    Our thoughts should be with Israel.
     
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    Surely Israel is a dead country walking...no good neighbours...just waiting for a fall in support from the US and they'll be at it again...and it will be Israel to be the first since WW2 that uses the bomb. The use will have limited effect and divide the world even more over its existence.
     
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    IMO a rather questionable statement. There's a fair amount of ambiguity in the "no good neighbors" statement and how it's interpreted could be significant. However from what I'm reading Israel's relations with a number of countries in the are have improved significantly in recent years. Those countries include Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and others. What's more many countries in the area are less inclined to support the Palestinians in particular the various terrorist groups.

    If they use the bomb it will likely be due to pretty much the same conditions under which the US has said it will.
     
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    To go after kaiju attacking San Francisco?
     
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    I was thinking more along the lines of retaliation for the use of WMDs.
     
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    Oh, real world stuff.
     

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