HELP! Kursk OOBs

Anyone got any Kursk OOBs?

I have been roped into refighting Kursk and I need some OOBs for Prokakovka...

Please help a very worried RED...

 

The German OOB ,I suppose Red? I have the whole Kursk OOB in front of me but I'll have to break down the Prokhorovka one.

 

I am after both sides Framert, the Russkies and the Germans!

My bossman has decided he wants to refight Prokhorovka in 10mm and has left it to me to find out what we need! Boy do I have alot of tanks to paint...

 

What I need are the units and numbers of vehicles/troops/AT guns etc.

So I know how many to order from the makers!

 

Red:

I'm doing a Soviet OOB right now. It will take a couple more days to complete. Whoever is the Soviets, I hope they'er building some T60A's and T70's as there are alot running around.
If you want a German OOB that's much easier to do so, I'll leave it for later if you still want one.
I also suggest Ponryi, Elefants and Brummbärs galore!

 

Thats great T.A!!!!

Send me anything you got! I need to build a detailed OOB for both sides before I can then convert it over to the army lists...

I am doing both the Germans AND Russians...

I like the idea of refighting Ponryi...

 

The Soviet OOB is at 15 pages and growing for just the Central, Voronezh and, Steppe Fronts. I'm still trying to sort out a couple of the Rifle Armies as they are not that well documented.

2nd Tank Army General Lieutenant A. G. Rodin

11th Guards Tank Brigade Colonel Bubnov 65 T34
130th Antitank Regiment
563rd Antitank Regiment
357th Separate Engineer Battalion

3rd Tank Corps General Sinekov
50th Tank Brigade Colonel Konovalov 32 T34 + 21 T60A
51st Tank Brigade Lt. Col. Kokurin 32 T34 + 21 T60A
103rd Tank Brigade Colonel Maksimov 32 T34 + 21 T60A
57th Motor Rifle Brigade
234th Mortar Regiment
881st Antitank Regiment
121st Antiaircraft Regiment
728th Antitank Battalion
74th Motorcycle Battalion
90th Motorized Engineer Sapper Battalion

7th Guards Mechanized Corps
24th Guards Mechanized Brigade + 13th Tank Regiment 32 T34 + 7 T70
25th Guards Mechanized Brigade + 12th Tank Regiment 32 T34 + 7 T70
26th Guards Mechanized Brigade + 215th Tank Regiment 32 T34 + 7 T70
57th Guards Tank Brigade 32 T34 + 21 T70

16th Tank Corps General Grigorev
107th Tank Brigade Lt. Col. Teliakov
109th Tank Brigade Lt. Col. Babkovsky
164th Tank Brigade Lt. Col. Kopulov
15th Motor Rifle Brigade Colonel Akimochkin
226th Mortar Regiment
614th Antitank Regiment
51st Motorcycle Battalion
89th Guards Rocket Battalion
729th Antitank Battalion
205th Motorized Engineer Sapper Battalion

Just a taste for now. It looks better in Word than here....

 

I haven't forgot you Red Baron, just my source[ Kursk by M.Barbier] doesn't list any numbers,just units. Gardner's list is what you're looking for although it looks a bit big just for the Prokhorovka battle.

 

Heck, Piers, this must mean a lot of 28mm lead!

 

It's worse than that Za; the Soviet one is up to 30 pages now. I think I have about 90 - 95% of it. I'm missing a couple of rifle corps I'm positive must of been there based on the rifle divisions assigned to certain armies but have been unable to identify at this point. And, of course, there are probably numerous independent battalion sized units I missed as well (those are alot harder to pin down).
The unit above was one of the major counter attack armys at Ponryi as an FYI.
The more I look at what the Soviets had at Kursk, it's a wonder the Germans got as far as they did! When you add in the Western and SouthWestern Fronts (which I am not including in the current OOB) for the Soviet counter offensive, you realize the Germans had lost the war in the East. It was just a matter of how long until the Soviets won.
Oh, if you want to pay a researcher at the Library of Congress they have a series of original Soviet classified maps (the CIA stamps kind of hint at their orgin) of the Kursk battlefield at 1:50,000 including some being marked with the initial positions down to battalion of the Soviet defenses.

 

5th Guards Army General Lieutenant A. S. Zhadov

57th Tank Regiment
1510th Antitank Regiment
1705th Antiaircraft Regiment
1st Guards Motorcycle Battalion
129th Mortar Battalion
256th Separate Engineer Battalion
431st Separate Engineer Battalion
743rd Antitank Battalion

10th Tank Corps General Burkov
178th Tank Brigade Major Pivorarov
183rd Tank Brigade Colonel Andriushchenko
186th Tank Brigade Lt. Colonel Ovsiannikov
11th Motorized Rifle Brigade Colonel Borodkin
Mortar Regiment
Antitank Regiment
Motorized Engineer Sapper Battalion

32nd Guards Rifle Corps General Rodimtsev
6th Guards Airborne Division Colonel Smirnov
14th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
17th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
20th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
8th Guards Airborne Artillery Regiment
Guards Airborne Engineer Sapper Battalion

66th Guards Rifle Division General Iakushin
145th Guards Rifle Regiment
193rd Guards Rifle Regiment
195th Guards Rifle Regiment
135th Guards Artillery Regiment
Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion

95th Guards Rifle Division
284th Guards Rifle Regiment
287th Guards Rifle Regiment
290th Guards Rifle Regiment
233rd Guards Artillery Regiment
Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion

33rd Guards Rifle Corps General Popov
9th Guards Airborne Division Colonel Sazonov
23rd Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
26th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
28th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
7th Guards Airborne Artillery Regiment
Guards Airborne Engineer Sapper Battalion

13th Guards Rifle Division General Baklanov
34th Guards Rifle Regiment
39th Guards Rifle Regiment
42nd Guards Rifle Regiment
32nd Guards Artillery Regiment
8th Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion

97th Guards Rifle Division Colonel Ansiferov
289th Guards Rifle Regiment
292nd Guards Rifle Regiment
294th Guards Rifle Regiment
232nd Guards Artillery Regiment
110th Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion

This is the Soviet Corps that counterattacked into the flank of II SS Pz Korps, with 3nd SS Totenkopf taking the brunt of the blow, at Prokhorovka. This unit initially was part of the Steppe Front and in reserve. It's initial committment was at this point in the battle.

 

Sweet...

Nice one T.A. now i just need TOES...

So I just need that and IISS K?

 

Red just remember that the 2nd W-SS Das Reich was not equipped with Panthers until their defence of the Mius where they kicked Soviet Butt with them in August of the year 1943. I'll let T.A. answer the II. W-SS Pz Korps materials and if he cannot I will hunt it down for you.

heres a fun tid bit from the Tiger Kompanie in 2nd W-SS D.R.

1 July 1943, 14 Tiger 1's

Stab had S01 and S02

S11, 12, 13, 14
S21, 22, 23, 24
S31, 32, 33, and 34

after Kursk it was refitted to make a total of 20 Tiger 1's with 5 Tigers in each Zug

E ~

 

No, that's about a quarter of what the Soviets had at Prokhorovka. If you want me to just concentrate on that battle instead of the whole operation I can.

 

9./SS-Panzerregiment 3

901 and 902

911, 912, 913 and 914
921, 922, 923 and 924
931, 932, 933 and 934

All Tiger 1's

 

this will finish up the W-SS Schwere Panzer units at Kursk

13./SS-Panzerregiment 1

1305 Heinz Kling, 1304

1311, 1312, 1313 and 1314
1321, 1322 Franz Staudegger, 1323 and 1324
1331, 1332, 1333 and 1334 Jürgen Brandt

all Tiger 1's

 

Ok, here is the Soviet OOB for Prokhorovka alone. The full Soviet OOB for all of Kursk ran 31 pages.

Prokhorovka 11 to 13 July

Soviet OOB

1st Tank Army General Lieutenant M. Y. Katukov

2nd Tank Corps
26th Tank Brigade 65 T34
99th Tank Brigade 65 T34
169th Tank Brigade 65 t34
58th Motor Rifle Brigade
62nd Heavy Tank Regiment 21 KV 1
269th Mortar Regiment 36 12cm mtr
1502nd Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG
1698th AA Regiment 16 3.7, 16 HAAMG
83rd Motorcycle Battalion
307th Guards Rocket Battalion 8 M13 rocket launchers
Motorized Engineer Sapper Battalion

10th Tank Corps General Burkov
178th Tank Brigade Major Pivorarov 65 T 34
183rd Tank Brigade Colonel Andriushchenko 65 T34
186th Tank Brigade Lt. Colonel Ovsiannikov 65 T34
11th Motor Rifle Brigade Colonel Borodkin
1450th Assault Gun Regiment 24 SU 76, 8 SU122
1693rd Antiaircraft Regiment 16 3.7cm, 16 HAAMG
727th Antitank Regiment 24 7.62 ATG
287th Mortar Regiment 36 12cm mtr
77th Motorcycle Battalion
128th Guards Rocket Battalion 8 M13 rocket launchers
Motorized Engineer Sapper Battalion

5th Guards Tank Army General Lieutenant Rotmistov

26th Antiaircraft Division
Regiment 16 8.5cm AAG, 16 HAAMG
Regiment 16 3.7cm, 16 HAAMG
Regiment 16 3.7cm, 16 HAAMG
Regiment 16 3.7cm, 16 HAAMG

10th Antitank Brigade
532nd Antitank Regiment 24 7.62 ATG
1243rd Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG
1245th Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG

16th Guards Mortar Regiment 36 12cm mortars
53rd Guards Tank Regiment Major Kurnosov 31 T34, 21 T60/70
80th Guards Mortar Regiment 36 12cm mortars
689th Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG
1549th Assault Gun Regiment 24 SU76, 8 SU122
377th Separate Motorized Engineer Battalion

5th Guards Mechanized Corps General Skvortsov
10th Guards Mechanized Brigade Colonel Mikhailov
51st Guards Tank Regiment 32 T34, 21 T60/70
11th Guards Mechanized Brigade Colonel Grishchenko
54th Guards Tank Regiment 32 T34, 21 T60/70
12th Guards Mechanized Brigade Colonel Borisenko
55th Guards Tank Regiment 32 T34, 21 T60/70
24th Guards Tank Brigade 32 T34, 21 T60/70 Lt. Colonel Karpov
104th Guards Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG
1447th Assault Gun Regiment 24 SU76, 8 SU122
2nd Guards Motorcycle Battalion
4th Guards Armored Car Battalion 12 BA 32
409th Guards Mortar Battalion

18th Independent Tank Corps General Bakharov
110th Tank Brigade Lt. Colonel Khliupin 32 T34, 21 T60/70
170th Tank Brigade Lt Colonel Tarasov 32 T34, 21 T60/70
181st Tank Brigade Lt. Colonel Puzyrev 32 T34, 21 T60/70
32nd Motor Rifle Brigade Lt. Colonel Stukov
36th Guards Heavy Tank Regiment 33 Chruchill III
292nd Mortar Regiment 36 12cm mortars
1000th Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG
1694th Antiaircraft Regiment 16 3.7cm, 16 HAAMG
736th Antitank Battalion 12 4.5cm ATG
115th Motorized Engineer Sapper Battalion

31st Independent Tank Corps General Cherniekov
100th Tank Brigade Colonel N. M. Ivanov 44 T34, 21 M3 Lee
237th Tank Brigade Major Protsenko 44 T34, 21 M3 Lee
242nd Tank Brigade Lt. Colonel Sokolov 44 T34, 21 M3 Lee
65th Motor Rifle Brigade
1244th Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG
753rd Antitank Battalion 12 4.5cm ATG
145th Motorized Engineer Sapper Battalion

5th Guards Army General Lieutenant A. S. Zhadov

57th Tank Regiment 43 T34
1510th Antitank Regiment 24 7.62cm ATG
1705th Antiaircraft Regiment 16 3.7cm, 16 HAAMG
1st Guards Motorcycle Battalion
129th Mortar Battalion 18 12cm mortars
256th Separate Engineer Battalion
431st Separate Engineer Battalion
743rd Antitank Battalion 12 5.7cm ATG

32nd Guards Rifle Corps General Rodimtsev
6th Guards Airborne Division Colonel Smirnov
14th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
17th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
20th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
8th Guards Airborne Artillery Regiment 24 7.62 guns, 12 12.2cm howitzers
Guards Airborne Engineer Sapper Battalion

66th Guards Rifle Division General Iakushin
145th Guards Rifle Regiment
193rd Guards Rifle Regiment
195th Guards Rifle Regiment
135th Guards Artillery Regiment 24 7.62 guns, 12 12.2cm howitzers
Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion

95th Guards Rifle Division Colonel Liakhov
284th Guards Rifle Regiment
287th Guards Rifle Regiment
290th Guards Rifle Regiment
233rd Guards Artillery Regiment 24 7.62 guns, 12 12.2cm howitzers
Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion

33rd Guards Rifle Corps General Popov
9th Guards Airborne Division Colonel Sazonov
23rd Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
26th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
28th Guards Airborne Rifle Regiment
7th Guards Airborne Artillery Regiment 24 7.62 guns, 12 12.2cm howitzers
Guards Airborne Engineer Sapper Battalion

13th Guards Rifle Division General Baklanov
34th Guards Rifle Regiment
39th Guards Rifle Regiment
42nd Guards Rifle Regiment
32nd Guards Artillery Regiment 24 7.62 guns, 12 12.2cm howitzers
8th Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion

97th Guards Rifle Division Colonel Ansiferov
289th Guards Rifle Regiment
292nd Guards Rifle Regiment
294th Guards Rifle Regiment
232nd Guards Artillery Regiment 24 7.62 guns, 12 12.2cm howitzers
110th Guards Engineer Sapper Battalion


The line up is 10th Tank Corps attacking from roughly due west just north of the Psel River. On their northern flank is 5th Guards Army which advanced to the Psel and then dug in to hold that flank against 3rd SS PzGr.
Attacking from due north, headed south is 5th Guards Tank Army lined up west to east as 18th Tank Corps, 31st Tank Corps, 5th Guards Mechanized Corps. These units hit 1st SS and 2nd SS head on just south of Prohorovka.
Lastly, 2nd Tank Corps is attacking due south from the north on the eastern side of 5th Guards Tank Army into 2nd SS PzGr.
TO & E's to follow.

[ 04. November 2004, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: T. A. Gardner ]

 

YOU ARE A STAR!

Many thanks Erich and T.A. Gardner!

TO&Es will be very useful!

oh...

and the Germans...

I will ask the Editor of the online mag if we can send you guys a copy of the new issue FOC.

Thanks again. Many thanks!

Piers

 

Good job! Worthy of a


The Red Banner of Labour

[ 04. November 2004, 05:34 AM: Message edited by: Za Rodina ]

 

There, added the principle equipment for the Soviets. Germans and TO&E's tonight and tommorrow.