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hitler + myths, hystory and legends

Discussion in 'Leaders of World War 2' started by Quillin, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. Quillin

    Quillin New Member

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    i came to the conclusion that this guy was really obsesed with myths, legends and history. just a couple examples i found
    the Siegfriedline (westwall) => named Siegfried because of the Siegfried legend that played in that area
    operation "Greif" (during the battle of the bulge) => Greif was a mythical beast
    constant comparing himself with Frederik the Great and comparing WW2 with the 7 years war (some war in germany during the time of Frederik the Great :wink: )
    comparing the death of FDR with the dead of a tsar during another war in history

    same for Himmler, he thought he was the reincarnation of some king and that the SS was like the Knigths of Teuton (some knighthood that was active in the baltic and eventually was defeated by the Russians)

    i wonder, do you guys got any other examples about Hitlers love for the past and legends?
     
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    Hardly "some war". The Seven Years' War was the very thing the state of Prussia had been created for.

    During the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648) the Electorate of Brandenburg had been ransacked, burned and pillaged from every direction because the state was too weak to protect itself. After this disaster the Elector of Brandenburg set up a new state, designed for one purpose only: to maintain an army strong enough to withstand assault from any and all directions. Every other interest of the state and its people were subjected to this one goal. Successions and wars enlarged the country until it became Brandenburg-Prussia, then Prussia. By that time its army had become world-renowned for its rigorous training, fierce discipline and superb tactical skill.

    Then in 1756 the very thing happened that Prussia had been founded to defend itself from: it was attacked by all of Europe, with no one supporting it but England (which provided only money). France, Austria and Russia, the three most powerful states of the time, all tried their luck invading Prussia, supported by various lesser German states who wanted a piece of the spoils. But thanks to bad cooperation between the Allies against Prussia, and primarily thanks to the superb leadership provided by Frederick II of Prussia (Frederick the Great), they all got a severe beating delivered to them by the Prussian army. This war meant that project Prussia had been a success.
     
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    Hitler and co were fairly deeply steeped in mythology and weird theories. Look up "Thule Society" among others. There's supposedly a history of the Nazis looking for the Spear of Destiny and other artifacts.
    The Indiana Jones films and Bulletproof Monk (among others) although not "historical" do give some idea of the Nazis' obssession with obtaining relics and "objects of power"
    I wouldn't say "history" so much as idealised mythology - anything that didn't fit their view of how things "should" have been was ignored or re-written quite comprehensively.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=z9s&h ... arch&meta=

    The links between the Nazi party upper levels and the occult is almost as much "fun" to trace as anything involving the Illuminati...
     
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    thanks oli for the links, i'll sure read them :p

    and thank you roel for the information. i had not a clue for what the seven years war stood for. :p
     
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    You're welcome. It must be clear from that information why Hitler liked to think he was Frederick the Great reborn, but obviously things went a bit differently.

    It must also be noted of the Seven Years' War that Prussia may have remained unconquered, but the sustained war effort against the three major agressors reduced the country to poverty regardless, because of the staggering amount of taxes and levies of men required.
     
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    No problem Quillin. I thought I knew a fair bit about it (having gone through seven different libraries in my home town section by section many years ago when I got my first library card), but it looks like there's a good deal more information available now.
    The real problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff... aahh, Nazi flying saucers here we go again :grin:
     
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    you know, there are some documentarries that do claim that. a year ago, there was a serie of WW2 magazines and DVD's with my newspaper (roel: i don't know if you also have them. there called "WW2 in woord en in beeld")
    anyway, on the DVD on secret wapons, a documentary claims that the famous foe fighters were nothing more then some radio guided flying lightbulbs (they litarly said "a glass bol with fire in it") controled by the SS to break up allied bombing formations. now, they didn't had any evidence for that but still they claimed, it where fying lightbulbs

    still, it's strange how hitler first tried to get rid of all mythology and then starting it self. mayby he took too many pills of his private doctor (note: thos pills often contained Arsenic. if you take too much, you die)
     
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    Yeah the "foo fighter's were remote-controlled anti-bomber devices" was apparently started after the war by an Italian who claimed to have worked on them (but his date of birth pretty much precludes that possibility :grin: ).
    Various people have pointed out the stupidity of
    A) remote-controlled devices against bomber formations at altitude at night time and
    B) fielding a weapon that doesn't actually do anything... They could at least have put an explosive charge in them.
    I've downloaded a couple of books in the last week (aah, eDonkey, what a wonderful idea :grin: ) on Nazi Secret Weapons. They vary from genuine experimental AA weapons (with many photos) to "how to build a flying saucer like the Nazis did".
    What's really funny is that the genuine secret weapons books (well genuine as far as I can tell) just present the information, while the further away from reality you get the more pages there are devoted to explaining the history and background in an almost novel-like format and then give a couple of badly drawn "artist's impressions" and grainy photos coupled with repeated comments about "this is often denied but it is real and factual".
    Bwahaha. And I'm the ultimate ruler of the universe.
     
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    Oli how do you think the aryan race got to earth? Through flying saucers. Come on evan I knew that one.
     
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    Really great stuff. This is exactly what i was looking for. Thanks!
     

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